Residents of a large loft building at 345 Eldert Street, home to artists for many years, have been served with a partial vacate order by the fire department. The tenants in 41 of the 76 units — up to 160 people — have been ordered to leave their apartments by 9pm tonight.
Resident Beth Hommel told BushwickBK that inspectors came Tuesday to look at units in the building. Wednesday, Carnegie Management, the building’s owners, informed tenants inspectors would return. Inspectors came yet again this morning.
“I let them in at 10am and they didn’t say anything was wrong, but when my roommate left at 2pm there was a vacate notice on our door.”
The Dept. of Buildings lists 345 Eldert, a former manufacturing building, as a legal residence. Violations recorded recently include illegal and poorly built mezzanines, illegal plumbing, blocked sprinklers, and blocked egress.
Hommel says that her mezzanine had been there for some five years, before she moved in. It and another construction in her unit will have to be demolished before she can move back in. “We’ll lose more than 1/3 of the sq footage of the place,” she said.
“Sucks that the FDNY would rather see us on the street than in our terrible, deadly apartments,” said Hommel. She dismissed any notion that the landlord would be using FDNY to clear the building for new tenants. “The rent in this place is already much higher than a lot of loft buildings. Ha. I thought it was worth it to avoid this situation.”
Another resident, Kallie Weinkle, will be staying along with her three roommates with friends in unaffected units in the building. She told BushwickBK that the tenants were originally told that they would be able to stay in their units as long as the management paid eight fire sentries — two per floor — to keep watch 24 hours a day. Then today, “the story changed,” Weinkle said. “They slapped noticed on our doors saying our units were ‘imminently perilous to life.’”
Weinkle described a scene of chaos as the Carnegie demolition crew began tearing one of her two adjoining loft units apart; the other was declared safe. Later, a new set of inspectors said the half-demolished unit was actually fine, and it was in fact the second unit that was unsafe.
At this point, Weinkle said, tenants on the floor above threw several rolls of paper out the window to the street below. “This pissed the fire chief off, he said they were disrespectful. ‘No matter what you do, even if you take out the violations — we’re kicking you out no matter what,’” she quoted the fire chief.
Hommel credits Carnegie with trying to get the units up to code before 9pm so that none of the tenants have to be kicked out. “I don’t have the exact details on what’s going on there right now,” said an employee at the Carnegie office, “but I know the manager is there working hard to get everything done.”
The building’s super said rent would be credited to affected units.
Carnegie also manages the McKibbin lofts in East Williamsburg, a few other properties in Bushwick, and a loft in the Bronx.
FDNY won’t reinspect until tomorrow morning, so the affected tenants will not be allowed to stay in their units even if all the work is completed before 9 tonight.
A press contact at the Red Cross told BushwickBK the organization has met with 85 tenants, and that 40 have accepted their offer of nearby motel rooms. Hommel and her roommate will be staying on a friend’s couch tonight.



Mary O June 16th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
So, why did tenants feel it necessary to throw paper out at the FDNY? Look at the photo–the FDNY did not issue the vacate, the Buildings Department did. Why throw stuff at firefighters? Don’t you think they do their jobs? See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebpIajvmKkc
A.B.Monk June 16th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It sucks for these poor tenants and their pets.
too scared to list my name June 16th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
There was no need to vacate the entire building on one day. They could have done one floor per day and saved a traumatic and chaotic experience for everyone. Everyone is upset, and people were crying left right and center as their lives were ruined and they were treated like CRIMINALS by the pissed off authorities. not all of them . But the authorities in NYC have too much ego to be ruining people’s lives because one or two people gave them attitude. Of course they have attitude. They’re young, and they’re scared. I’m very disappointed with the aggressive response by authorities and have lost respect for the notion that they were trying to make the place safer. The aggression wasn’t necessary. The ENTIRE building being sent into chaos at once was not necessary. They should be more respectful. No one here was a criminal.
Thomas Frasca June 16th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
If the biggest and best fire dept. in the world deems a place not safe, who are we to judge. The problem here are the owners of the building, all they want is our money. They don’t care about our safety. The fire Dept. On the other hand is worried about our safety and theirs.
JC June 17th, 2011 at 7:07 am
I live in one of the affected units of this building. Im currently staying at a friends house. The people throwing stuff off the roof sucked. There were other similar incidents. Basically, there are a lot of young people in the building who are a bit overzealous about “knowing their rights”. There was also a lot of anger misdirected at the fdny, Carnegie, and even other tenants. The few tenants behaving inappropriately were causing major problems for the other tenants who were trying to cooperate and have their notices lifted. In fact, at one point, the fdny was considering evacuating the entire building because certain tenants were being so belligerent and interfering with the process.
The entire situation sucks, definitely. But there is a difference between asserting your rights and just plain being a douchebag. There are rumors flying around that this type of behavior is what attracted attention to the building initially in the first place.
When Im trying to deal with the stress of leaving a vacated apartment, some dick standing in the stairwell singing America the Beautiful at the top of his lungs isn’t empowering or inspiring, its just annoying and inappropriate. Whoever that was, btw, if you read this, if I knew a good emoticon for flipping you off Id type it right here.
JC June 17th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Thomas:
1. The fdny actually lied to me and my roommate and told them they wanted roof access (which we have) to investigate verizon antennas on the roof. They knowingly took advantage of tenants not knowing their rights.
2. Of course Carnegie wants our money. Its a business. We are renting a space to live in exchange for money. It is in their best interest to take care of their customers (us) and they have actually been doing a decent job given that the fdny and building department have been changing rules literally every 30 minutes.
Please offer to help and find out information instead of pointing fingers and making yourself feel good by “raging against the machine” or “sticking it to the man” or whatever you’re trying to do that’s preventing the grown ups from making actual progress.
Nadia June 17th, 2011 at 9:35 am
i love across the street at 342 which is also owned by the same management. good to know carnegie is doing every thing they can to get the building up to code before any more people are affected. nevertheless, this is nuts.
Jimmy June 17th, 2011 at 9:37 am
I have no doubt that the FDNY used unethical tactics and exercised poor judgement yesterday, but there is absolutely no excuse for the tenants to act like douche bags. If you start a pissing contest with any authority figure you will lose. They all back each other up by breaking the law or lying if need be, that goes without saying.
Granted it was only a few tenants who were acting like dicks but it only takes one or two bad apples to screw the rest of the responsible folks.
I’m so sick and tired of the anti-establishment attitude that serves no purpose other than fostering self delusion.
Props @JC for being responsible.
Sean Kean June 17th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Dept of Emergency Management addresses tenants this morning with updates and clarification:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15437700
Eman Deriuqer June 17th, 2011 at 10:49 am
I lived in that place for a little over a year, and in retrospect, it is a pretty dangerous place. A lot of those lofts don’t have fire escapes, or even smoke detectors. A lot of residents are kinda trapped in their lofts – I am kinda glad it is the DOB that is pushing the Tenants out, and not an actual fire.
Tim June 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am
I live(ed) in one of the affected units. When I got home from work yesterday, there was NO sticker on my door ordering me to vacate. At 10pm, a herd of firemen, cops, etc. banged on the door and ordered us to open up. We did and were told we had to vacate immediately. After I pleaded, they gave us 10 minutes to pack our things, under the watchful eye of a uniformed police officer, before we were escorted out.
I understand the fire safety issue. But the theatrical display put on by the authorities yesterday was ridiculous.
Ebiz June 17th, 2011 at 11:54 am
It’s a lose lose for the FDNY who are forced to do this by the dept brass! Had they not evacuated the building Due to numerous hazards and there was an emergency where people died the lawsuits would be racked up saying the FDNY didn’t give a damn.
yikes June 17th, 2011 at 11:57 am
The unsafe conditions in this building dont sound any different than 90% of the lofts in the Bushwick/East Williamsburg area, most of the build-outs are not up to code, the city could shut down any one of them for the same reasons. In some instances a little more involvement from code enforcers would be good, I lived at 315 Seigel and there were no smoke detectors in the entire building and 3 fires in the few years I was living there.
Nadia June 17th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Tim — wow. I’m sorry that happened to you. NYPD and FDNY get drunk with power sometimes. I’m POSITIVE there’s a better way to handle this.
It’s also important to note that we get what we give… and the few douchey people probably ruined it for the rest of the tenants in the building with regards to getting any kind of respect or empathy. :/ Also, it’s not like it’s the tenants’ fault for having a crappily built loft right? Lots of unnecessary aggression being passed on and on and on… ugh.
Mary O June 17th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
People die in badly converted buildings.
2 dead here: http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/139128/dob–brooklyn-home-had-illegal-doors-installed-prior-to-fatal-fire
1 dead: http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/02/17/new_coney_island_condos_fatal_fire_at_illegal_apartment.php
That is why the city is so antsy about these things.
rob June 17th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
the problem is access that the dob does not have and now asks fdny to help gain access. please direct your anger at mayor douchebag not us. we are looking out for our safety and yours. we could care less how you live, just do it in a safe manner for all.
ED June 17th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
AS for the suggestion that they should vacate only one floor per day. Let’s say they did that and on Monday they vacate the first floor. On Monday night there’s a fire and people are ( take your choice ) killed , injured ,scared and have no personal property left. By Tuesday morning an army of lawyers representing the ( killed , injured and scared ) occupants will be demanding to know ” if there was a danger of a fire why did you only vacate the first flloor ” ? Hope that helps you see why it happens that way.
moT June 17th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
To all the Eldert residents who were forced to vacate, I am sorry; stay strong in this confusing time. I am a current ressident of 345 Eldert Street. My apartment was not deemed as hazardous. What will happen to my apartment? There WERE some conversions made before we moved in, but the sprinklers still access all of the place clearly. Am I ok? I’m confused.
Tg June 17th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Well it had to happen sometimes- as a former tenant for five years the environment had become more and more insane with literally hot-bed type situations where the kids where building their version of a 60′s love-in, cramming living quarters ever which way to save some bucks. the fault lies with the management company as they have looked the other way for far too long and allowing by way of passivity, the lil’ rascal approach to safety. how they ever got the building insured is beyond me.
ali June 17th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
why is no one holding carnegie responsible? isn’t it up to them to make sure their building was up to code? they obviously were more interested in just renting apts out as swiftly as possible, without bothering to make things safe…they seem well-aware of what the apts look like inside, when they rent them out – i don’t understand why people aren’t more angry at them (as opposed to the fdny/dob/douchebag tenants) – after all it’s their building, and their responsibility to have it legal/safe, if they’re taking money from people. why are people being so forgiving of them “trying” to get things up to code – they waited till it was a crisis situation…shouldn’t they have thought of this before?
Thomas Frasca June 17th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Majority of the residents of loft apartments in east williamsburg and bushwick are not even from NYC. I’m not from NYC!!! but I have the out most respect for the FDNY. Who in their right minds go into burning buildings to help others? The Fire dept was very respectful and helpful to me when they came to my apt. I didn’t act like an animal. you give respect to earn respect. Fires kill people and illegally converted apartments will most certainly kill us.
Thomas Frasca June 17th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@ JC you are a punk little kid that don’t know shit.
TG June 17th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
to follow up- when they were trying to rent my loft last year, the agent described it as a 3 br apt. two of us originally moved in with some mezzanines already built (structurally sound) so it was completely open- no enclosed rooms hence no fire hazards.
hence the agent by describing it as a 3 br is already hinting that the mezzanines may be enclosed to create br’s- definetly a legal no no.
JC June 17th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
@Thomas: I know what I saw, given that I actually live in the building. Last I heard the fire commissioner was going to investigate the FDNYs poor conduct at the site. Anyways, there is a meeting tomorrow morning at 11am in the garden on Eldert a few doors down from the building. The loft tenant association will be there as well as an attorney and possibly the oem and somebody from Carnegie (you will not see any fdny or DOB there). Hopefully they’ll give some clarity. See you there!
T.L. June 17th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Emotions are running high. Chill out all and work together. We all have to be neighbors again after this.
Bill Moffatt June 17th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
This is hialrious! What kind of idiots intentionally try to piss off the very person who gets to decide whether they’ll be sleeping in the comfort of their own beds or in some bed bug infested, temporary lodging? Hopefully, for their sakes, they’ve learned that next time, showing some well-deserved respect to the FDNY Fire Chief may have its benefits.
John June 17th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Blame the owner and the the Mayo,r who got voted in for a illegal 3rd term. Not the FDNY NYPD or buildings dept. They did not make your bulding a death trap your owner did. If you dont like it go back to the mid west and do as you please in the lofts out there
Joe Bob June 17th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
It’s good to hear we can get $500 for moving expenses. I wonder if they’ll need to see receipts for everything. My personal opinion is that we get every penny we can for the trouble we’ve gone through. Regardless of whatever departments are at work here, the method of evacuation has been costly and highly disruptive for everyone.
I don’t think people’s behavior in the building changed the manner with which things were handled. The whole thing has been a total blitzkreig. I understand the feelings of everyone really. I don’t see any more good coming from civil discussion than from absurd youthful anger. Either way, everyone has been violated and I can understand their compulsion to express that feeling however they like really.
I don’t believe there was such a pressing need to evacuate that it had to happen with 6 hours notice. It’s hard to point a finger at any one organization, but I am willing to do whatever is necessary to see to it that there is financial compensation for the logistical and emotional troubles that everyone went through.
I only lived in the building for one month, but it was a blast. I will miss the building and all the people I met, and had yet to meet. I hope everyone can figure out a new living situation that is equally enjoyable and possibly one that is not subject to be terminated at the drop of a hat (….or a vacate notice).
C’est La Vie!
- “Joe Bob”
TRST June 18th, 2011 at 8:02 am
If eight fire sentries were employed 24 hours a day…assuming they made only $10p/hr that’s $80 worth of labor every hour, or $1920 a day. Why would anyone imagine that Carnegie would float 57K a month instead? How would you not question that when your home is at stake?
Plazma June 18th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Hey Dumb Asses: You live in a death trap just waiting for a death. You should be GRATEFUL they kicked you all out. Otherwise, your dumb ass parents from bumfumble would be here asking questions after a deadly fire and ask why the CIty didn’t do anything about it.
JC June 18th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@Bill: It’s the DOB that makes the decision regarding the vacate orders not the FDNY. Also, nobody has had any interactions with the fire chief.
T.L. June 18th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Things are looking up. Some are able to move back in with friends helping friends to day.
Bill Moffatt June 18th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
@JC: FYI, DOB enforces Building Code violations and FDNY enforces Fire Code violations, among others. If the FDNY Chief present at the scene deems that the building presents a life hazard, he has the sole authority to order the premises immediately vacated, regardless of what the DOB might have to say. If the occupants refuse to leave, the NYPD is then called in to enforce the Fire Chief’s vacate order. Just thought you should know.
Andreas Hofweber June 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Yeah – it does suck – not only for the tenants with animals – I am one of them with my wife and two little kids – when we moved in 4.5 years ago we were told to be allowed to build in our spaces we need – I am aware of safety especially with a 1.5 year old and a 4 year old – I built it with a constructor and thought it would be up to code – it is a open space and is covering just a bit more than a 1/3 of the whole space – no doors at all – no blocking of any doors and windows the whole way through. Worked out of that space for 4.5 years as it was my studio as well. After spending thousands of dollars in the last years – we are kind of homeless…my kids are afraid to loose there toys but don’t understand enough to explain – we always had fire detectors and they were working – especially when I was cooking – we had the fire department in the building many times all kind of inspections and reasons and no one was ever complaining anything – why now ? We need a space soon but need to pack up first 2 businesses and a family – they are very nice to us and are giving us more time but it still sucks.
The neighbors are all great and helpful and all sticking together – the place is great and there is no need to get mean at anybody – we loved it here and the kids did too. We all need to deal with it…so who ever thinks that we are all dumb asses is probably not a tenant we would like to have as a neighbor…good luck to everyone who has to deal with it.
We try ;-)
Just a update
fuhgeddaboudit June 19th, 2011 at 7:54 am
Thomas Frasca: the more comments you leave, the more you sound like a townie moron.
Anyone want to take bets how long before this guy is challenging people to a fistfight?
Mike P. June 19th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
The way the FD and DOB handled this building makes no sense whatsoever, the had over 30 officials from several agencies inspecting the building and every official had a different opinion, they kept on changing their minds every 5 minutes, they came to the building with the intention to vacate it no matter what they will find, how did they know to have Red cross at the building before the even started the inspections.
The FDNY and DOB need to be investigated for their acts here, how they destroyed our lives and left 150 people without their homes, for reasons that have nothing to do with safety, it was a revenge from an inspection several days earlier, when some tenants told them to leave their apartments as they had no right to enter our apartments without a warrant and someone even called the Police which told the FD that they had no right to enter, and FD where forced to leave the apartment. and someone getting upset and throwing things on them from the window.
The officials need to stop using excesive power.
Upset June 19th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Its easy to point fingers at the owner, but in reality we have been living here for many years and kept on constructing these Mezzanines so we can have more space to live and work, or share the apartment with roommates, have we really wanted the owners to look over our sholders what we have done?
Some of the apartments had Mezzanines built by the owner which i saw noted on the Building Department plans, thefore we all where under the impresion that its ok to add more, as i hear now we are only allowed to have Mezzanines for 30-50% of the space, I wish I had known this before,
Thanks to all neighbors and Management for giving us a hand in these stressful situations, I think that contrary to all the City officials, we at the building have done a great job working as a team together, these officials should come and take lessons how things are getting accomplished here only because our community is united and works together as a team, tenants and management hand by hand.
Also Thanks for Red Cross for helping us out.
Moogiemom June 19th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
I do not believe that the evicted tenants at 345 Eldert Street, Brooklyn (Bushwick) are objecting so much to the fact that a safety check was made. The major problem is the heavy-handed manner in which it was carried out. I have spent time in that building because my daughter lived thereunntil this happened and have been kept informed about what has been happening by both what is posted and by direct information from my daughter. In my daughter’s case, inspectors enter her unit one day. They came back the following day at 10am. At that time they told her NOTHING. When her roommate exited the apartment at 2pm they found the noticed posted on their door warning that they were to be out THAT NIGHT by 9pm or they would be arrested. One of the times her apartment was entered it was by FIVE men. Good use of resources? Can’t ONE do the job?
Despite the fact that management made attempts to negeociate with the FDNY and offered to pay for 2 Fire Marshall’s for each story of the building 24 hours a day to protect their tenants until the problems were corrected and hire crews immediately to correct ALL THE PROBLEMS their tenants were STILL evicted forced from their homes and businesses (many people in this building work from their homes including my daughter) on short notice. In this economy many people live month to month and do not have resources to just move to another apartment. Usually a move involves planning for weeks or months not hours and a planned move is on your terms & time schedule not something forced upon you.
As to those of your dissing the neighborhood, well I am a 64 year old white woman(since some of you are expressing your fear of the non-white population) and I have never felt ill at ease when I have visited my daughter. I have also not seen a lot of hipsters in this building but many artists, musicians and other hard working folk trying to live their lives as best they can. I was looking forward to a wonderful time watching the fireworks from the rooftop of this interesting building and enjoying a 4th of July party with my daughter and her friends. Sadly this will not occur in this building because the city decided to be a bully.
I respect the Red Cross and am pleased that they were there to help. I also do not want firefighters or anyone else to be in danger but there had to be a more humane way to handle this. I question whether all inspections end up with immediate evictions or whether there is usually a time period for the corrections to be made. A landord cannot evict a tenant w/o notice so why can the city?
Niki Smith June 19th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Hello everyone, if you are reading this, this is Niki Smith I lived in 314 for almost 2 years. Sometimes you may have walked by me in the hallway on the third floor playing ukulele alone or sometimes with Juan on violin. I am in tears reading about this I just cannot believe it. I just moved away in Feb. this year. I am absolutely horrified thinking of all of you wonderful people going through this, and I just want you all to know that my thoughts are with all of you and truly if theres anyone who just wants to talk or anyone I can help out in anyway please e mail me bingopajammers@gmail.com. I live in Denver now, so there’s not much I can do but let all of you stay with me here in Colorado. But to everyone who remembers me I will always remember our building and the wonderful times we all had together, my time in Brooklyn was happy, and I know it wouldn’t have been if I didnt live in that wonderous place. I learned and grew so much with that building and the support of a beautiful community 345 provided. I LOVE YOU ALL KEEP YOUR HEADS UP
pamarama June 20th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
i am so sorry to read about all you who have suffered this horrendous abuse of power by the city. after reading all of the above i have to say i’m with mike p on this one, don’t be ignorant guys! i would bet you anything that the only reason they are “investigating the behavior” is because you guys are smart enough to blog about this and now it’s in gothamist and getting picked up by other media and it’s becoming an issue of bad publicity for them. i have also personally seen how and why they do this to artists all over brooklyn and it doesn’t take a genius to see that IT’S NOT F*CKING OK. Stay strong and stay together! And publicize the SH*T out of this massive injustice you were subjected to to prevent it from happening in the future!
Paul L. June 20th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Mike p. and Pamarama you got the FD to agree with you it was a retalitation, look here very interesting reason from the FD for acting like this.
http://bushwickbk.com/2011/06/20/345-eldert-tenants-allowed-back-in-slowly/comment-page-1/#comment-92812
” According to a local firefighter who spoke with BushwickBK, 345 Eldert has given local firehouses trouble for a while.“That building’s been a pain in the ass for years,” said Fred, who asks that we not use his real name. “We do understand people have rights, but the way to express them is not by acting like jerks and taking it out on us.”
former345resident June 22nd, 2011 at 12:38 pm
a blessing in disguise. we were all taken advantage of. fingers need to be pointed at the management because they are guilty for exploiting artists by claiming to make that building a space for artists, MGMT knew that those spaces were not up to code (just by renting the basement units hello can it be more obvious???) and made illegal increases every year on every unit knowing that this shit was going to go down in flames and just waiting for the fire dept to help rid the illusion that those units are worth more than a dollar. class action lawsuit!
phil June 24th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
say what you want, we’re blasting Maiden in the basement right now!