
Some of Bushwick’s “flavor”: Chinese food dumped in the same spot on Central Avenue for years until a black slick of filth forms. The rats especially love this. — photo by Jeremy Sapienza
A common theme in the gentrification debate is how the newcomers are bland and white-bread suburban stripmall refugees. Some of the older inhabitants who resent the “invaders” complain that their neighborhood is being “sanitized” and “sterilized” and most of all, it’s losing it’s “flavor.”
What exactly is flavor, though? When we talk about diversity, are we talking about how many different ways you can get rice and beans plopped on a paper plate? Are we talking about the dizzying variety of cockroach-infested bodegas from which we may purchase our forties? Certainly we can’t be talking about ethnicity, can we? After all, Bushwick’s newcomers are both natives and descendants of more European and Asian and Latin American countries than you could count on your hands and toes three times over, while it’s extant communities are mostly from, what, two Caribbean countries and the Southern US, whose cultures have been New Yorkized and blended?
It seems to me that upon examination, “flavor” always turns out to be some combination of poverty, rudeness, theft, murder, vandalization, dilapidation, and awful food. I can’t think of anything more bland than the relentless desperation of being stuck in a gray shithole your whole life, looking at the same crummy buildings and filthy streets and aimless people and eating the same shit food until your death of heart disease which the New York Times will blame on “our broken health care system.”
So go ahead, make fun of hipsters and whatnot. They may dress funny, but at least they’re not wearing the same five basketball jerseys every motherfucking week. They may like bizarre music, but at least it’s not their grandparents‘ music or the same recycled crap about some bitch’s bootie. They may not understand what it’s like to be poor, but at least they don’t glorify it. That’s about all you have on them — Bushwick’s newcomers are steeped in diverse and cutting-edge culture, fashion, and gastronomy. They are manifestly NOT “remaking Nebraska” in New York — they are the next generation of talented and creative people that have made New York the amazing place it is.
There is something nice to be said about ethnic enclaves — I have fond memories of celebrating my family’s cultural traditions and feel a connection to the collective experiences of “my people.” This is only natural and we’re hardwired for it. But when someone is so desperate to prove his “otherness” that he incorporates peripheral things, even if they’re terrible, into how he defines his culture, he’s doing himself and his people a disservice. I wouldn’t think people in Puerto Rico are too thrilled with the idea of their culture being synonymous with poverty and trash.
Enough with the glorification of everything bad and wrong in New York by euphemistically calling it “flavor.” You open yourself to questions like, what flavor is that? Ass?





Joanna October 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
If you don’t like the look and smell of neighborhoods where people of limited means live, maybe you shouldn’t move there. But you apparently chose to do that, and now are singing a paean about how great it is that those folks are getting pushed out and replaced by midwesterners as if the people already living in your neighborhood are not good enough to be the next generation of “cutting-edge culture, fashion, and gastronomy.” THIS is why people hate yuppies, hipsters, etc. The working poor have jobs that are valuable to the economy, too, and should be able to find a place in this city where they are not constantly being forced to leave. It’s not so much a culture war as it is a class war. Let me remind you that those you praise generally make money off of repackaging the inner city in a nice “white-friendly” version, not by being creative in their own right.
electricgreek October 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Here we go
Jeremy Sapienza October 8th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Joanna, you already went way off course here. I am merely debunking the idea of “flavor” as something desirable, when it’s just a defensive euphemism some people use to talk trash about other people’s cultures and make themselves feel better about their own crappy situation. Whether I live here or not, filth is still filth.
You “repackaging” comment is your own fact-free, hyperdefensive reaction to the success of other people.
Armstrong October 8th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I thought “flava” was in reference to uncut hung latino men. At least that’s what my favorite book: NEXT magazine, says!
Color me smacked.
Joanna October 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Fact free? Let’s see. Where did rap music come from? Where did the whole “homeboy” fashion trend come from? Answer: the inner city. Whites repackaged them and they became part of mainstream culture.
Armstrong October 8th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Frankly, I find my definition much more fun!
Joanna October 8th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
And let’s not forget my personal favorite: “graffiti art.”
Jeremy Sapienza October 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
And Joanna, you consider these narrow few examples to consist of the whole of American culture?
Armstrong, I’m with you.
AdrianLesher October 8th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I second Joanna. It’s pretty disgusting to shit on the people who’ve long lived and worked in Bushwick by comparing what they’ve built in the neighborhood to a grease garbage stain on the sidewalk.
You’d think a nominal anarcho/leftist might have a little more appreciation for the culture which already exists in his neighborhood, and wouldn’t come off sounding like every other raging gentrifier posting in the comments section of Brownstoner. Some of the this hateful screed comes pretty close to eliminationist rhetoric.
ricmac01 October 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
I thought “Flava” was that clown with the big clock-necklace.
Anyway, whether a Bushwick newcomer or old timer, how can one take exception with the observation that nasty behavior is, in fact, NASTY?
And double yuks to Armstrong and his fav book:”NEXT magazine”!
Jeremy Sapienza October 8th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Is “Next” some sort of homaseckshul deviant publication?
Andy October 8th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Holy shit!?! Are you serious? Wow, pal. If people who are underprivileged and live lives within their means are gross, and beneath you, you might want to get your arrogant trust funded ass the hell out of Bushwick before one of them crawl out from underneath you and beats the smug shit out of you.
Don’t shit where you eat moron. This isn’t you’re neighborhood, and hipsters are all going to be heading back to wherever the hell they came from once the scene dies out. The people you described are people who are really living in and supporting this city.
Dan October 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Unfortunately, gentrification has been happening for a long time…a very long time. And not just in bushwick, and not just New York city. People are just moving to the places they can afford. No ones trying to push anyone out. I live in Bushwick because I can afford it. I can’t afford to live in Manhattan. Seems as simple as that…
Dresden October 8th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Flavor went from ass to uncut cock. Great!
It isn’t to be said that we white newcomers don’t know poverty – but maybe we prefer to spend $2 on half a dozen apples at a farmer’s market to $2 worth of pig crisps.
Other than that, a lot of this is going to sound racist because let’s face it, but I think Jeremy you did a lot to diffuse this. And let’s all be honest – being white isn’t some permanent vacation from struggling.
What I can’t understand is why the flavor of ass has so much traction. It’s “old school”. So let’s go get $10 blowjobs from crack heads and then eat some popeye’s.
Jeremy Sapienza October 8th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Adrian: No. I did not compare what anyone has built in this neighborhood to a grease stain. In fact, I implicitly contrasted the grease stain with the good things that the overwhelming majority of people in Bushwick are up to — after all, without those regular, responsible members of this community, it ALL would have been up in flames. What was built by them continues and survives even as other people move in among them. What I am picking on here is the characterization of the awful side of poorer neighborhoods as something to celebrate and hold on to.
If you had paid attention to the parts that make it difficult for you to use words like “eliminationist,” you’d have noticed I explicitly did NOT shit on the culture of the people who live in my neighborhood, but made a point of separating trash and crime FROM these cultures. Now, if maybe you’re talking specifically about the trash-crime subculture, then yes, I shit all the fuck over that pile of garbage. There’s nothing legitimate about it and it needs to go away. I would very much like to completely eliminate all trash and crime. I’m such a Nazi rite!?
And watch who you call a leftist, bud. Don’t act like you know who you’re talking to when clearly you do not.
Andy October 8th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Holy shit!?! Are you serious? Wow, pal. If people who are underprivileged and live lives within their means are gross, and beneath you, you might want to get your arrogant trust funded ass the hell out of Bushwick before one of them crawl out from underneath you and beats the smug shit out of you.
Don’t shit where you eat moron. This isn’t you’re neighborhood, and hipsters are all going to be heading back to wherever the hell they came from once the scene dies out. The people you described are people who are really living in and supporting this city.
Jeremy Sapienza October 8th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Andy: I said none of what you are alleging. Please re-read this post. Furthermore, neither I, nor anyone I have ever met in my entire life has a trust fund. And this very much IS my neighborhood.
The people I described to not support this city — they destroy and drain it. All the feel-good rhetoric in the world will never change that. But I do think it’s interesting that you think that I will get BEAT UP for in effect calling certain people uncivilized. Kind of drives my point home, huh?
Man October 8th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
5% that’s all it takes.
In my large apartment building in Bushwick it has seen about 80 families move in and out. 4 of these families were Section-8 losers who turned the building and block into a pure hell. Once the landlord stop accepting Section-8 it has been a quite safe time.
It doesn’t matter if 95% were quiet and stable it just takes a few. But is this all the Jeremys and hipsters see. He shows us pictures of Old 1980s Bushwick where kids are just living and playing. Yet when we feel nostalgic about our childhood he calls it glorification. Know that the 5% are gone you can’t claim victory.
We know being poor is not good, we also know nothing you did turned this ‘hood into a ‘place to be’. You weren’t on Palmetto in 1982, 1987, or throughout the 1990s rebuilding. We rebuilt from the white flight of the 60s, then the looters of the 70s. That is the flavor I know.
Not one thing you see, not even a pink roller, inspires positivity of the old residents. Yet some one-year band or organic fruit gets praise from the heavens. I don’t deny your truth about Bushwick-scum but there is more.
Hi I’m Man and this very much IS my neighborhood.
Mike October 8th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Hi ! I’m Mike from Bushwick….I have lived here for all of my 41 years. If anyone needs any advice\info on Bushwick…feel free to e-mail me at
MikeN11237@aol.com.
My wife is from Erie,PA and has adapted to our block
( near Wycoff Hgts Hosp.) and now loves it here.
Newcomers and out of towners feel free to write me.
Mike
Whisper October 8th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
I frequently see this “flavor” idea in the incredibly annoying phrase newcomers often use to characterize Bushwick – that its “more real.” How is it more real, because it smells like shit and is littered with beer bottles and dead cats? Fuck that.
Bushwick in many ways is a grotesque neighborhood. Jeremy is saying that those who make it this way shouldn’t be fashioned into tragic examples of a rapidly fading “real” city but rather called out for it. If Bushwick was inhabited by white-trash-crank -smoking-shitty-country-music-listenin’ hillbillies, his argument would be exactly the same – but, of course, not racist.
Queens Crapper October 8th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
In Queens, these types of neighborhoods are celebrated as “vibrant and diverse.” And for some reason, they don’t get gentrified.
Now, the fault lies with your local elected officials and city agencies for allowing this to happen (especially that Chinese food oil slick). This certainly wouldn’t fly in Park Slope.
Dresden October 8th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Whisper just laid it out.
Queens Crapper October 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Also, may I add, that the reason your neighborhood is affordable is mainly due to the presence of the very behavior you find disgusting. Ironic, ain’t it?
josh October 8th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
it’s pretty simple – respect where you live.
i don’t know why anyone of any culture or race or class or etc. would want to walk around in trash and filth. and yet i constantly see people throwing shit in the streets, on the sidewalks, letting their dogs shit wherever without cleaning it up and without a care in the world. and not just in this neighborhood. if these people don’t respect where they live, it’s a little bit more than just a bushwick thing, i think.
Jeremy Sapienza October 8th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Man, don’t you see that this post is about that 5%? The exact situation you described is why I know most Bushwickers are good, normal people, no matter their income level. In my short time here I have seen what can happen when a few problem scumbags are given the boot — buildings and blocks spring back to life.
As for singing the praises of every organic this or that, I’m writing for a pretty specific audience, you know? This is not the Hope Gardens Newsletter.
Jeremy Sapienza October 8th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Whisper, yes, lame middle class people seeking “realness” is the other side to the “flavor” phenomenon. I suspect some of them have posted above.
Dresden October 8th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I disagree with 5%. It’s higher.
ricmac01 October 8th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Is “Hope Gardens Newsletter” some sort of hateyoseckshul conformist publication?
Andy October 8th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
This “flavor” diatribe you keep trying to justify is just a thin veil you’re using to cover up your classicist condemnation of these terrible people who’s only faults are being poorer than you and occupying the same neighborhood you’ve appointed yourself the savior of.
I’ve read you’re ridiculous post three times before my first comment, because initially I couldn’t believe that anyone could be ignorant and obnoxious enough to seriously criticize people for disenfranchised.
The people in this neighborhood aren’t filthier than any other part of this city. Any neighborhood in New York will have a Chinese restaurant on the corner that disposes of their waste improperly.
People in Bushwick isn’t dirty because the people are dirtier; Bushwick is dirty because the people are poor. If Soho or Chelsea were inhabited by mostly lower income residents it’d be just as filthy too. If there isn’t money in a neighborhood there isn’t enough incentive to keep the place cleaner or to build up the neighborhood. That’s the local infrastructure at work. You don’t honestly expect poor families working their asses off to come back home and pick trash off the streets do you?
No one’s glamorizing poverty. Who the hell would? This post is sickening. You spoiled brats really do live in your own myopic little worlds if you honestly think people would live like this to spite you. As if the working class of New York exists only to antagonize the enlightened and heroic artiste who would try to make the city better if only those poor “ethnic enclaves” would stop eating their terrible and coincidentally inexpensive food, and insisting that trash be piled up on their curbs.
Andy October 8th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Ugh. Man, I wish I had proofread that last comment.
MoyJoy October 8th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Everyone really needs to get over themselves. You know, for a lot of people I know this “flavor” “flavah” “flava” that’s spoken of can be compared to the way you feel when you discover a new spot that’s really good and pretty exclusive and you and the group likeminded people who are also early discoveres take pride in being part of it. Then one day there’s an obvious shift and it starts to become more mainstream… it looses that flavor it had in the beginning.
Take for exampe Carol’s Daughter body products. You used to only be able to get it in Brooklyn. Then they opened a store in Harlem and it started becoming more accessible but it still had some ‘flavor’ to it. Now it’s available at Sephora nationwide and yes, it’s pretty much lost its flavor. I mean, imagine how pissed off those first people who used to shop at the first Gap store must be now. ;o)
Sometimes it really is that simple. I mean, who doesn’t think Isaac Mizrahi lost some flavor points when he started selling at Target?
Also, I’m not sure what the hell pig crisps but from the sound of them if you paid $2 for you’re probably getting ripped off.
Jeremy Sapienza October 9th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Andy, do not attempt to psychoanalyze me. You have already failed in assuming I am from some elevated class. I do not expect people to come home form work and pick up trash on the streets. I DO expect people to not DEPOSIT trash on the streets. As I said, this post is about the people who don’t have a modicum of respect for their neighbors (yet demand respect from everyone else).
Once again, the point of this post is that the bad things in New York’s poor neighborhoods are not things to be celebrated but eliminated. Not that *I* plan on eliminating them. Not that I think I am saving anyone with my mere presence. Not that I think anyone treats their neighborhood like shit to spite other people. All of these things you have inserted here without basis.
Your comments here are simply you on the search for an enemy so that your progressive outrage can be refueled. I assure you that there are much more satisfying menaces to attack than a man who doesn’t like it when people steal flowers from his tree pit.
(For the record, the mess in the photo is always one or two portions of food, and there is no Chinese or any other restaurant within several blocks of this spot, so it is not merely improper business waste disposal. It’s probably some old dude across the street who likes to feed the pigeons.)
Jeremy Sapienza October 9th, 2008 at 12:13 am
MJ imparts sanity once again. There are definitely different uses of “flavor.” As for “pig crisps” I think that means pork rinds, and while I’m not much for the kind you get in the potato chip bag, the panaderia on Knickerbocker and Starr sells a huge bag of reasonably fresh chicharrones — fried pork rinds that are still a little chewy — for $1. I do not want to know what kind of preservatives are in that shit.
Felicia October 9th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Jeremy, you do cat rescue, right? This stray has been outside my apartment for days…big and friendly; lets me pick her up and rolls over for belly rubs. Weird thing is, I can’t get her to come inside my apartment. Is there any number I could call so she can get a second chance at life?
Jeremy Sapienza October 9th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Um, no. I do not. Way to threadjack though.
ricmac01 October 9th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Andy, in my section of this neighborhood, Broadway has trash containers on most every block. On my street the trash/garbage is picked up three times a week. In spite of the city’s efforts to keep this “poor” area clean, somebody is still littering up the streets with chicken bones, McDonalds and condoms and others pile up garbage along side their house rather than take it to the curb on trash pick-up days.
So services are being provided but some still choose to be dirty. I don’t think being poor is the reason for this behavior. Parents need to set good examples and instill discipline at home, not by yelling at their four year-old kid, “nigga, shut your mouth and pick that up before I pop you one” for all of Broadway to hear.
josh October 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am
there is a huge difference in “coming home and picking trash off the streets” and not putting it there in the first place.
josh October 9th, 2008 at 10:46 am
ok probably should have read all the way down before restating
josh October 9th, 2008 at 10:50 am
#3 in a row: like i said before, it comes down to nothing else but a simple lack of respect. class, race, ethnicity. it’s all bullshit. people either respect where they live and try to maintain or they don’t.
josh October 9th, 2008 at 11:03 am
ok last last one to back up my last one, not that anyone thinks this is too much:
i see white kids throw shit on the streets in disregard just the same as just as i see my puerto rican neighbors sweep their sidewalk of cigarette butts, pick up crushed white castle boxes and spray the curb to prevent garbage smells.
Dylan October 9th, 2008 at 11:14 am
The “newcomers” can be pretty damn filthy also. My building, which is pretty exclusively white, gentrifying, artist types still seem to think it is cool to let their dogs piss and shit in the hallways and not clean it up, or can manage to take their garbage all the way downstairs rather than let it pile up outside their door. Pretty sure this behavior doesn’t change when they go outside.
jessica October 9th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Dylan is so right. I lived in a mostly “newcomer” building and people never put their trash in the actual can…just piled it up in front of our 1st floor window, letting the rats get to it and spread the filth everywhere. Cigarette butts in the hallway, party trash on the roof. Filth begets filth. It’s just sillier when you are paying gentry rents to live like that.
hughblaze October 9th, 2008 at 11:46 am
“more appreciation for the culture which already exists in his neighborhood”
THERE IS VERY LITTLE.
Aidan October 9th, 2008 at 11:46 am
This clown Jermey is simply another white-trash hick from Florida. Once he’s had his “experience” here in New York he’ll probably move back in with his white trash parents at the trailer park in FLA. Hipster transplants from these red states show how truly low class they are by moving into areas like Bushwick. Don’t worry, they have no idea how New York City works when the economy is down. As soon as the recession hits, and hits neighborhoods like Bushwick first, and there are no more barista nd bartending jobs for these transplant hipster shitheads they’ll all go back to FLA and Ohio. These people are too young to know what an actual recession looks like and as soon as things start to get a bit worse they’ll be overwhelmed that the city is in fact quite different than they had hoped. New York is not a playground for your extended adolescence into your twenties and thirties, you stupid fucking red state hipster scumbags.
parma October 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
I continuously see local old school Bushwickites let their dogs shit and piss on the sidewalks and not pick up any of it. Whereas the newer residents are walking around with little baggies to clean up after fido. Does that make me a racist? When I actually confronted someone about not picking up after their dog they just laughed at me and called me whitey!So….?
Matt C October 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Yes yes. Trash on the streets. Definitely not a race thing. I’ve lived in both hipster loft buildings and regular folk apt buildings. Some people are stupid and disrespectful, while others have a brain and realize they have to be responsible for themselves.
Overall, the trash problem is one of attitude. No, we don’t have fancy doormen and maintenance workers to bundle up our trash and all that. But it seems pretty simple to do things like not litter, not smash the glass at the bus stop, etc. Again, not a race thing. I’ve seen all kinds commit random acts of destruction.
Jeremy Sapienza October 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Aidan, your comment is a perfect example of the reason why the people attacking me here can’t get any arguments to stick. Now, you may have had a point about New York having an uptick in roughness due to the recession. But you killed any credibility you had by sandwiching a possibly good point between ridiculous and wholly false declarations about my upbringing and home culture, which you invented, and attacks on hipsters in general. What is quite evident is that while you have only unconditional love for non-white dirtbags, you absolutely loathe white dirtbags. That’s racist. In fact, your seething hatred for lower-class whites comes rather to close to — what was it? — oh yes, “eliminationist rhetoric.”
Fail. Try again, dingbat.
Jeremy Sapienza October 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Yes, yes, I have personally experienced problems with filthy young students in my own house, and have heard the stories of dog piss and shit in hipster “dorm” hallways. This is all beside the point, which is, again:
the bad things in New York’s poor neighborhoods are not things to be celebrated but eliminated
That’s the point of this post. Digressions may allow you to make a point you have been just dying for an appropriate forum to make, but they’re irrelevant.
MoyJoy October 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Aiden, you sound a little upset.
Parma, they anger is probably geared towards you calling them out on something they know is wrong… and like Chris Rock said when you’re lashing back out at someone you’re going to say whatever you feel is going to hurt them the most. So…
If you’re living in a ‘cheap’ neighborhood you’re going to treat it that way. Lets say everyone made the same income across the board and could afford to live whereever. Those living in places where they paid signifigantly less would probably let their dogs shit on the sidewalks and leave chicken bones on the curb. Ask someone who owns a hooptie (google it) when was the last time they got it washed and detailed.
oh! pork rinds. ill.
Aidan October 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Your profile is public on facebook you douchebag, and it’s obviously you. A dumbstruck looking hick type living in Bushwick from FLA… I’ve saved the photos of you and your boyfriend and maybe I’ll take a page from your hipster handbook, blow up a few copies and paste them all over your shit neighborhood with a caption something like “racist homosexual wants minorities gone from Bushwick” with a paragraph explaining your ideals. Don’t fuck with New York or real New Yorkers, shitkicker.
Billiamsburg October 9th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Oh dear lord, I really can’t stand the automatic liberal outrage from upper class white people in tribeca that commenting on something like ‘hey stop using the sidewalk as a toilet’ is automatically racist because you MUST be talking about the BLACK folk right? I mean they must assume you meant, “hey black folk, stop using the sidewalk as a toilet” for them to make that accusation despite the fact you never said it.
The fact is bushwick (and similar neighborhoods) are shit because a percentage of people feel fine shitting all over it. It’s like you have a party in your glass $5 million dollar condo and these two guys keep dropping trou and defecating on your $25,000 sofa. You think it would be wrong to kick them out because they are beautiful in their own way right?
T October 9th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Wow Aidan… you’re what makes New York such a nice place to live. “Real New Yorkers” finally have someone to look up to!
Why do you want to live here? What part of filthy streets and violent crime warms your heart?
Armstrong October 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
sorry bitches but I’ve lived here since 2000 and overall: the lack cleanliness, existence of crime, preponderance of noise, lack of development, lack of retail, dearth of restaurants, etc etc..
all of these situations have improved DRAMATICALLY – if not quickly, in eight years.
change doesn’t typically happen on the drop of a dime and for this we should be grateful. williamsburg completely changed in the space of four years. with little community stability or much in the way of housing regulations: stabilization, etc, williamsburg is unrecognizable from 1999. it also has far further to fall in a recession as a result of this rapid fire, unsustainable, rapacious change. mark my words.
change is good: thought out, measured, planned and regulated, three-steps-forward-one-step-back change works sustainably. I’m sure this concept will not appeal to the romantic notions of people in their twenties, but it is true nonetheless.
bushwick is getting cleaner and improving overall. now where did my Next magazine go…
T October 9th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Armstrong – you’re far too reasonable.
Dontcha know… All of the things you mentioned are not “improvements.” Apparently they are destructive… destroying the world of the “underprivileged” and are “racist” at the core. Clean streets, reduced noise, new restaurants, unshuttered commercial spaces and reduced crime is the work of the white man and hipsters from Florida and Ohio.
REAL new yorkers WANT filth and crime and a lack of services… that’s what makes them tick.
Tyler October 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Aidan, you’re just an awesome local. I’m sure you provide a lot of “flavor” to the neighborhood. You’re completely right – this city should only be REAL new yorkers.
BoogieDowner October 9th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Bushwick BK gives a bad name to revitalization. And to be honest, the references to “rice and beans” and songs about a “bitch’s booty” are only slightly veiled racism.
BoogieDowner thinks that machete and steak knife attacks are horrific, but the screed that the post spews about black, Hispanic, Caribbean natives of Bushwick makes the origin of such attacks a little clearer.
BoogieDowner advocates revitalization without replacement or racist denigration (a la BushwickBK).
Read about it here:
http://boogiedowner.blogspot.com/2008/08/bronx-revivalism-not-displacement.html
or Read the very lively thread about the “Dirty G-word” Here:
http://boogiedowner.blogspot.com/2008/10/dirty-g-word_09.html
ricmac01 October 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
A couple of asides, but not quite as random as the cat rescue post:
My grandmother made “cracklins” maybe 2 or 3 times when I was a child from left-over something-or-other, heck I never asked, but they were the BEST. I guess those were pork rinds, but tasted nothing like those store-bought puff things *gag*.
Next magazine in Bushwick?? This must be imported merchandise. What do I know – I have yet to find a magazine stand in Bushwick but guess I live in the poor part of town.
Armstrong October 9th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Bushwick is still coming back from the devastation of the 1970s. Where did the idea that most long term residents don’t desire improvement gain traction?
There are such things as cultural generalities: carribean latins have a more rowdy culture. This is known throughout the spanish speaking world. My southamerican and mexican friends have shown more me more intolerance to carribean culture than many northamericans who, barring east-coasters, have little experience of it.
All this being said, do you think that the vast majority of longterm residents don’t enjoy being less fearful of crime in their neighborhoods or having better public services? Furthermore, all of this has more to do with a recent economic resurgence based on the hallucinated wealth build on Wall St in the last ten years than racism.
And that, my friends, is about to be severely tested.
Aidan, your threats of violence are detestable. You’re free to go where you want on the internet, and to avoid what you want as well.
Dresden October 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Yeah, Armstrong, I’ve been here since 1999. When I first came out to the Morgan stop to look at a room share and go to a few loft parties, I saw a pack of wild dogs, a huge dead rat in the middle of the street, and there was no one around – like a Clint Eastwood movie….
It’s better. Way better.
Dresden October 9th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Aidan, NYC is a playground for my extended adolescence into my 20′s and 30′s. Sorry buddy, but if you don’t like NYC as it is TODAY, move to Reading, Pennsylvania! Or wherever all the priced-out crackheads went.
Dylan October 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Jeremy,
I completely agree with your central point that “the bad things in New York’s poor neighborhoods are not things to be celebrated but eliminated” but I think it is important to realize that 5% of people new to the neighborhood are probably just as bad as the 5% of old timers with regards to at least some of these “bad things.” It just happens that the newcomers have more of a taste for organic milk and indie rock.
My limited experience with gentrification suggests that it is generally the second wave that comes in and really starts cleaning a neighborhood up, after most of the amenities are already in place.
Jimmy Legs October 9th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
say, to be able to view somebody’s facebook page (and photos,etc) don’t you have to be ‘friends’ with them first? who is this Aidan guy, an old college buddy?
Matt October 9th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Aidan, you are a c*nt.
Robert October 9th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Aidan, you’re a genius. Please put those flyers up.
Dresden October 9th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Dylan,
Way more than 5% of people ANYWHERE are disgusting, ignorant, stupid assholes with no regard to anyone else.
In Bushwick, newcomers and old-timers alike, that number has GOT to be at least 25%. AT LEAST.
And Aidan is one of them.
josh October 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
basically
ricmac01 October 9th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Aidan is an Irish name meaning “little fiery one” so Matt is probably correct.
Tyler October 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
So Aiden is a c*nt with an infection? that sounds about right…
Lindsey October 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
“the bad things in New York’s poor neighborhoods are not things to be celebrated but eliminated” Jeremy you stated that this is the point of your post and that you too had lived with “Yes, yes, I have personally experienced problems with filthy young students in my own house, and have heard the stories of dog piss and shit in hipster “dorm” hallways.” But yet in your original post you made reference to rice and beans, big bootie bitch music and other ethnically motivated phrases and potentially offensive phrases. So clearly in the heat of your argument you did veer away from your main point.
Bushwick Dill October 9th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Enlightening things I have learned about Jeremy from these comments: He is a communist, a redneck, a homosexual, a racist, a hipster, an elitist, a hick, a republican, an invader, and a nazi. Wow Jeremy, I don’t know how you do it, few people in history have been able to bridge the communist-nazi-homosexual-hick divide. Fuck Obama, I think Jeremy has proven he has the appeal to bring the disparate factions of this nation together.
But on a more serious note, I think people who claim ownership to either the neighborhood or the city are completely idiotic. To say it is you neighborhood because you have been their for x number of years is ridiculous because unless you are a Lenape someone was here before you and you where the hated invader. These claims on the neighborhood are as absurd as the nativist politics of the 1800′s were the last generation of immigrants claimed superiority to the older ones.
If history has talk us anything, it is that it is the new comers to the city that have shaped New York, not the racists who resisted change. Bushwick does not belong to the hispanic or black people who make up the majority now, anymore than it did to the Germans and Italians who lived here before, or the Dutch farmers all the way back, or mostly importantly the people who are moving in now. What would happen in Peter Stuyvesant’s great-great-great-grandson came and told all the black people to get out of Bedstuy because his family lived their for hundreds of years. He would rightfully be laughed at just as we should laugh the nativists who still exist today.
The only people who might actually be able to claim ownership of a neighborhood are those who actually OWN property there, which most people in Bushwick do not. There is less incentive for people who do not own property in the neighborhood to take pride in it and take good care of it because a shittier neighborhood means lower rents, while a home owner would want to take care of the neighborhood to increase his investment in his home or business. And one of these home owners is the commie-nazi-hick-fag Jeremy Sapienza.
I think we know who Jeremy wants the neighborhood be clean and nice, because he actually owns a piece of it, but my question is why these psuedo-nativists who falsely claim ownership of the ‘hood oppose making the neighborhood nicer?
Bushwick Dill October 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
VIVA LOS ERRORES GRAMATICALES!!!!!!!!!
Lady Erex October 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Oh no, you actually bought a place in Bushwick? Recently? This changes everything. I feel so, so bad for you Jeremy. Well, I think he realizes he’s made a very poor real estate investment in a traditionally unstable neighborhood that will likely be one of the hardest hit in the coming recession. I do feel for you. Seems you were trying to do the right thing by buying a place in an area you thought would improve and now you’re realizing that you’re most likely going to lose your shirt by making this bad decision. It’s as simple as that. If I bought in Bushwick recently I’d probably have Jeremy’s same frustrations and tensions in my life too. Stick it out 20 years or so and you’ll be alright. Luckily I don’t have to worry. i bought in Tribeca in ’97 but not everyone was as smart as me.
Yes October 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Yes massa you own it you have all da rights, massa.
Ignore the facts that the neighborhood became nicer long before newcomers moved in massa. A community is not the landlords it’s the residents. If the Dutch, Germans, or 70s-Looters stayed it would be their community.
By the way the post Bushwick Culture Clicks 8/26/2008 has been mislabeled it should read 9/26/2008, that has been irking me for a while.
Stephanie Sapienza October 9th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
What a fascinating set of comments – what anyone with a brain will see here is that those who are attacking Jeremy’s post are simply reacting to TONE instead of actual CONTENT; i.e. they are jumping on Jeremy’s rhetoric simply because it is inflammatory, not actually interpreting it correctly, and then attaching whatever meaning they want to it.
I think the post was pretty clear. But if you want it broken down into more digestible bits, I think his followup comments #32 and #48 sum it up more succinctly.
And on a final note – Aidan’s ad hominem remarks about Jeremy probably being white trash is pretty transparent (talk about inflammatory rhetoric) and shouldn’t even be justified. But fuck it – Jeremy and I are both (partially) third generation Italians whose family landed (and mostly stayed with a few exceptions) in NEW YORK; our family consists of physicists, business owners, chemical engineers and arts administrators. Most of us despise trash in general – whatever color it is. We want it picked the fuck up. That is, in fact, the whole damn point of this post …
Armstrong October 9th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Yes Dresden, I remember packs of wild dogs in Maria Hernandez Park and on the streets as well. When I say “pack” I mean 3 or 4, not 20; but it was disconcerting nonetheless as there was usually at least one pit-bull missing an eye in the bunch at any given time. We must not forget the crack ho’s that I still occasionally see on Knickerbocker. They were legion before.
I disagree with Lady Erex. As I mentioned, I believe Bushwick will suffer LESS than other neighborhoods that went through rapid development in the last 5 years. The population of Bushwick by and large rent, and they rent in one of the most rent-stabilized, low-rise neighborhoods in the city.
That is not to say that I don’t think Bushwick will suffer. Development will slow WAY down no doubt and hopefully crime will not have a resurgence.
Let’s talk about housing as an investment and I quote The Long Emergency by Kunstler here:
“There is no such thing as intrinsic value in a house. A huge percentage of the public has now put its net worth into something that arguably isn’t an investment. Apart from the false econometrics of rising house valuations and the leverage that affords for raising cash within the context of the current lending rackets, a house is much more of a consumer product than an investment.”
The housing bubble has inflated the price of a home to beyond the means of those earning the mean income of the US. The bubble must pop and currently is. I’d say that we’re not even halfway there yet in terms of everyday peeps being able to afford homes. Also, as jobs are lost, that brings down the mean income, further deteriorating the value of housing.
Fasten your seatbelts FLAVOR savors!
Armstrong October 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
oops. I meant “median” rather “mean” in the above post.
your neighbor October 9th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
jeremy, i hope you get stabbed
Man October 10th, 2008 at 12:03 am
A thread like this shouldn’t end in some spammers violent comment.
Hey there’s a Stephanie. Cool.
22 more to 100.
KPND October 10th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Chin-up, Jeremy – it sucks to see you attacked by these self-hating defeatists.
Some of the urban culture here is dysfunctional. No reasonable person can deny that.
It’s not about being poor. My mom grew up dirt poor on a tiny farm in New Mexico in the ’40s without electricity. Rattlesnakes, tumbleweeds, chickens… the whole deal. Some of you here would say that she was doomed, yet somehow she managed to get a university degree (via scholarship), avoided teen pregnancy and drug abuse and habitually throwing her trash around the street and cussing out her kids in public. Imagine that! And the majority of people in my mostly lower-class, Black, neighborhood are good, respectful citizens yet it blows my mind that some would say this neighborhood is/should be doomed to being dragged down by the bad apples. Ridiculous.
Culture is plastic; it’s an opt-in or -out situation, not a granite monolith. Being noble or degenerate are options we all have.
John Dereszewski October 10th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Stripped of the rhetoric as well as the racist and classist implications, the point that things that damage a community’s quality of life should not be celebrated but vigorously combatted is hardly controversial. It is also a sentiment strongly supported by the overwhelming majority of all Bushwickites. If you ever attended a local block association meeting or dropped into a Precinct Council event, you will hear this point of view strongly expressed by longtime community residents, who have been fighting this battle for many, many years. Thus, there is a tremendous amount of common ground here.
The problem, of course, occurs when the quality of life issue becomes an excuse to dump on Bushwick’s largely poor and minority residents. There have been far too many examples of this toxic brew in the previous posts. If there is a time to tone down the rhetoric, it is here.
Equally bad is the countervailing – and extremely defensive – tendency to excuse – and even celebrate – bad social conduct (the “flava defense”) and to question the racial motives of anyone supporting a better quality of life. This is just another variant of the despicable “noble savage” concept that is as insulting to poor and minority Bushwickites as it is patronizing. The less said about this sentiment – especially when it is voiced by white “defenders” – the better.
The final problem with both of these tendencies is that they are totally unproductive. If we are really serious about making life a little better in Bushwick, the best thing to do is to tone down the rhetoric, unite rather than divide – and just get to work. The tone of too many – though hardly all – of the previous posts does not provide much ground for optimism.
BrooklynZoo October 10th, 2008 at 8:57 am
offensive post. I agree – this is why people hate hipsters. in a nabe for a few minutes and then feel entitled to completely sh*t on it and judge its existing inhabitants.
ricmac01 October 10th, 2008 at 10:25 am
When running for President in 1999 George W. Bush billed himself as “a uniter, not a divider”. Finally, after eight years, we’re all united……..AGAINST HIM!
Regarding the writers of this blog toning down the rhetoric, I vote no.
pluvious October 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
nice thread, bushwickians.
i’m gonna condense it, give it a bit of poetic license, write a musical around it, and then franchise the living crap out of the touring production, giving jobs to all b and c list tv stars needing work between stints in rehab.
though unknown, i will be the new new avatar of the old old bushwick (even though i don’t live there), itself a subsidiary of the old old brooklyn, the once and future home of the new, new amsterdam.
peace out (especially if there’s a profit involved.)
Dresden October 10th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Lady Erex,
If the neighborhood goes down in value, we will all go back to our banks and renegotiate our mortgages.
But it so won’t. Bushwick is one of the fastest growing neighborhoods in the nation. The pace might slacken, but what’s that really do an end-user? Someone who lives in what they bought? Not much. Impacts the equity. That’s all.
As far as buying in 1997 in Tribeca, good for you. You sound like a very humble person.
Jeremy Sapienza October 10th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Aidan, if you don’t know what every New Yorker knows — that South Florida is mostly populated by OTHER New Yorkers and Latin Americans — you are clearly NOT a New Yorker. And by all means, post a flyer saying how I hate “minorities” all the fuck over town — with my MINORITY boyfriend on it. Dingbat. I’m starting to think you’re projecting your OWN flyover upbringing onto me. It’s bizarrely common coming from people ashamed of their own origins. How sad.
None of this is to say I look down on emigrants from trailer trash upbringings — they beat all the odds to make it to civilization and not manage to be destitute. Can’t say the same for the “real new Yorkers” you’re making a failed attempt to defend — they were BORN here and despite massive subsidies in every aspect of their lives they still managed to squander the breathtaking opportunity they had growing up mere miles from the center of the world. Real New Yorkers, please. Real New Yorkers can make the cut.
Jeremy Sapienza October 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Lindsey, you take issue with my claim that I am not attacking Bushwick’s older cultures as a whole:
“But yet in your original post you made reference to rice and beans, big bootie bitch music and other ethnically motivated phrases and potentially offensive phrases. So clearly in the heat of your argument you did veer away from your main point.”
No, because those are the things included when people talk about “flavor,” not hipsters letting their dogs shit in hallways.
Asstimus Prime October 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Jeremy, you’re absolutely right. During the 1970s and 80s a ton of former New Yorkers moved to other places to get away from the city. In particular they went to Staten Island, New Jersey and the Miami area. The New Yorkers that went to those places, as I think everyone knows, where the more closed-minded and bigoted types who gave up on the city they once professed to love. It makes perfect sense that you can count yourself among the offspring of those uncultured suburban city-fearing baby boomers who deserted New York a generation ago. Remember a lot of us stayed and were able to trade up into better neighborhoods. Now you feel you have a right to take back the city? Just because you lived in a boring town in Florida comprised of a bunch of New York’s displaced Italian bigots does not make you a New Yorker. Your closed-minded upbringing is evident in your rants. I’ll bet your parents are the same enlightened nuevo-riche that won the election for Bush last time around. Do us all a favor and move back home, you’re old enough to vote down there this time aren’t you.
Martha October 10th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I like people who are on the move and not live in one place all their lives; it does a lot of good to get a different perspective. Newcomers are good because they already know change.
Dresden October 10th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
There’s a healthy perspective, Martha.
Iago October 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
really #87, people were expected to stick it out in NYC as it crumbled aroudn them? wtf who says things like that? You sure ur not really a 13-yr old in Nassau nostalgic for his grandparents’ childhood in the big city?
mopar October 11th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
John Dereszewski, I appreciate your post.
Armstrong October 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Asstimus Prime.. wow, that is a fierce volley. What says Jeremy?
John Dereszewski October 11th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Thanks, Mopar, for your kind words, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your comments on this thread – and many others.
Duane October 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Hey lady erex
You and me both.
Where’d you buy and how big?
Just a street is fine with me. I’m interested in where other bought at the same time.
SG October 12th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
“They may not understand what it’s like to be poor, but at least they don’t glorify it. That’s about all you have on them — Bushwick’s newcomers are steeped in diverse and cutting-edge culture, fashion, and gastronomy. They are manifestly NOT “remaking Nebraska” in New York — they are the next generation of talented and creative people that have made New York the amazing place it is.”
Are you shitting me? The difference between hipsters and regular white folks is their pretention, and their glorification of poverty. The nation has no shortage of white single moms, low-income white families getting screwed by the recession, and hey, even white crackheads. Just look at Amy Winehouse!
Anyhow, regular whites, when rent forces them out of a neighborhood, don’t see themselves as “urban pioneers” of a new one, like the hipsters do. They realize that they’re in the same boat as everyone else, and one’s ethnicity isn’t “flava”, it’s just whoever the hell they are. Equality, not supremacy.
Regular white folks shop at the Salvation Army because they can’t afford not to, whereas hipsters are trust-fund babies who could easily afford Diesel, but instead patronize thrift stores because they have no shortage of “ironic” “artistic” threads. Like a pair of green overalls that had a Bedazzler vomit on it. Give me a sports jersey any of the week.
Regular white folks give back to their neighborhood, or at least patronize its present establishments. They might not be into pork rinds, but Jamaican beef patties? Fuck yeah! Hipsters are far too good to eat what’s given to them, and have to bring in new establishments with $7 croissants.
I could think of a thousand more differences, but essentially, I’d be contrasting my childhood as the daughter of a single mom getting by on food stamps and living in a majority-minority neighborhood known for its constant supply of crack. While the addicts were douchebags, we got along fine being one of the only white families around because we were real. I can’t name the number of “flavored” friends who helped us out after my dad was shot, or when we couldn’t afford anything but PB&J. When we could, we gave back, ourselves. It pains me to see people think that all white people are hipster assholes, and can never be normal nice people, like my mom. I’m sure if Bushwick had an invasion of regular white folks like her as opposed to hipsters, there wouldn’t be any racial overtones in the argument against change. At least, not as much.
Oh wait, I grew up in another state, so that invalidates my entire post.
johnnysaw October 12th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I recently watched a tenant of mine throw a brick through the neighbor’s door. People toss garbage out of their windows into my backyard. The list goes on, we all see the idiocy out here. Jeremy’s rice and beans riff was insensative but his main point is undenible. Dysfunction is not culture.
bobba11237 October 12th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
great post jeremy, well-said.
bushwickgirl October 12th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
One thing that might help is to get the city put some damn trash cans around Bushwick. No wonder there is so much trash on the street. Without trash cans I see people just throwing crap on the ground all the time. How do we get the city to provide more cans?
Man October 13th, 2008 at 1:12 am
SG is a genius.
Woohoo 100 comments this would never happen on one of those “Bushwick Culture/Arts/Urban Archaeology” posts.
Jeremy Sapienza October 13th, 2008 at 10:46 am
In the rush and crush to get a post up and move on to other things (like my paying job) I might gloss over or misrepresent pertinent information, or I purposely make bigger deals of things or use a certain tone or word combos to get a rise out of people. Sometimes I miscalculate. Here, I used the phrase “hipsters and whatnot” to denote hipsters, yuppies, and assorted other newcomers to Bushwick who NO, are NOT all white. So I am not going to call them “white.” But I should have been more specific. Also, it was just incorrect of me to say that hipsters do not glorify poverty — it is actually quite true that a large subset DOES in fact do exactly that.
Jeremy Sapienza October 13th, 2008 at 10:54 am
John D, great post.
SG, you just right here sang a paean to the inability to enjoy a life above subsistence means. People like at least the option to eat good food and wear nice clothes — it’s no point of pride to say you “eat what’s given” to you like it’s gruel at a refugee camp.
Jeremy Sapienza October 13th, 2008 at 11:06 am
bushwickgirl, the people tossing trash on the street will not hold onto it one more second than they already do, cans or no cans. Plenty of people walking by my house lift my can lids through the fence and put their trash inside. There’s a trash can every 10 feet in Bushwick — it’s not like anyone would be upset if you used their cans instead of dropping it. Some of them don’t even just drop it when they’re done — they make a big show out of how little they think of their street and their neighbors by tossing the trash up over their shoulder, I guess to show how “cool” they are. They especially like to smash bottles in the gutter. The point is, those who would use city cans already use other cans, or hold their trash until they find a can. Those who don’t, won’t.
Erika October 13th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Congratulations on being a racist fuck :)
NM October 13th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Most of this nonsense is really about class, but it always seems to devolve into racial tension. The things that are annoying to pretty much anyone – littering, loitering, noise – seem to follow poverty, whether you’re white, black or purple, live in the city or in the sticks.
It’s not just about the residents, it’s about the landlords, the business owners, the city’s resource allocation, the schools etc. The issue of gentrification and displacement is so old and so unhelpful – I hope that in my lifetime the conversation can move onto something actually productive. It’s so freaking depressing.
Everyone has a big mouth, but no ideas.
Man October 13th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Walking around Bushwick yesterday I saw a woman take her half finished coffee and toss it on the side of building. She then walked to a trash can and threw away the empty cup.
Now there’s a nice coffee-stained building and until it rains it will be there.
She was an idiot does it matter if she was a hipster or not?
Jeremy Sapienza October 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
No.
ricmac01 October 13th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Having FLAVOR doesn’t necessarily mean having GOOD TASTE.
Vespa October 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Hi. You are a racist. Just thought I’d inform you.
Have a nice day!
WOW October 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I cannot believe this is seriously up here. I am going to hope that this is satire. If it is not, unfortunately the only options left are “so ridiculously ignorant and therefore blind to their racist undertones” or “actually racist, but trying to ‘hide’ it under another issue so it doesn’t seem ‘that bad’”
They may dress funny, but at least they’re not wearing the same five basketball jerseys every motherfucking week.
Like WHAT?! are you fucking kidding me??? That sentence (amongst others) just makes me PRAY that you are joking.
Jeremy Sapienza October 14th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Haha yeah, I’m racist against basketball jerseys and rice and beans, too — their black skins offend me!
Dresden October 14th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I’m racist against no one. It’s always the individual. You always take the individual on their individual basis.
And in all my life, throughout all of it, there are those who want to cry race at me because I have the perception that people should take responsibility for how they act, what they wear, and how they do in life.
How is it racist if I judge people on their actions, words and perceptions outside of their skin color or culture? Because I think gangbanging, crack, loud ipods, not picking up dog shit, having children at 15, and a slew of other behavior is negative for our society?
If that’s racist, I might as well join the klan.
marisleysis October 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
here’s the memo that apparently didn’t reach you, Dresden.
you’re not a racist if you think people of other races are so inferior that they need you as their foster parent. if you refuse to coddle them, however, then and only then you are a racist.
i’m not sure if that’s in the OED yet.
Nacho Average January 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
someone posted earlier about the newcomers not being that clean also. I completely agree. Especially when they walk their fancy dogs. Sure they collect the shit in a bag but not all of them toss it in the trash – I’ve seen it – and the ones that do toss it in the trash, god bless them, don’t realize how weak those plastic bags are and usually rip open oozing out its chocolatey contents. And besides, does anyone notice the smell of a block after it rains? It smells like pure dog piss.
It didn’t smell like that before the crusade moved in, though we did have other unpleasant smells roaming around
Nacho Average January 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am
I should admit that I am an advocate for the “flavor” argument. The definition of flavor does not refer to glorifying destruction, machismo, crime, poverty, violence, etc.
Flavor is an attitude, a style, an intoxicating and radiant charisma that has been birthed in the same streets Jeremy and Co. bad mouth. The newcomers do not have any of the above adjectives when it comes to their style, it’s just plain weird and ugly and on the verge of flaming homo-erotica.
I know I sound ethnocentric and there are characteristics of my culture that aren’t so great. I can’t be entirely upset with the opinions and observations of Jeremy and Co. b/c they have truth in them but what I am upset about are their lack of understanding and one-dimensional perspectives. I can’t blame them, they weren’t bred here so they can see only as much as they can comprehend. I’d probably sound just as ignorant if I moved into their hometowns and started ranting about my observations.
Overall,
Bushwick is losing some of its flava and gaining flavor, its swagga is dilluted to swagger… You gettin my drift?
Nacho Average January 28th, 2009 at 11:39 am
And those who are strongly against the “flava” argument, in my opinion, do not know the first thing about style. If you did, you’d completely understand why we argue that Bushwick is losing it’s flavor.