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		<title>By: Jeremy Sapienza</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-2/#comment-9743</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sapienza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I was wrong about these particular properties, they are co-ops, not rentals (though they were indeed sponsored by Vito Lopez&#039;s patronage organization RBSCC). But I was not wrong about the Bushwick Initiative in general -- it is at best impotent, at worst crooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I was wrong about these particular properties, they are co-ops, not rentals (though they were indeed sponsored by Vito Lopez&#8217;s patronage organization RBSCC). But I was not wrong about the Bushwick Initiative in general &#8212; it is at best impotent, at worst crooked.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-9742</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am without words for what you have written jeremysapienza about these buildings.  You did not do a good background check in your wrong information about these buildings.  These buildings are part of 18 buildings in bushwick that residents fought and stood together for them to become a co-op and are only months away from owning there own home. The rent was is not the same. There was no new furniture either.  So please get you information correct before you try to make this so called article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am without words for what you have written jeremysapienza about these buildings.  You did not do a good background check in your wrong information about these buildings.  These buildings are part of 18 buildings in bushwick that residents fought and stood together for them to become a co-op and are only months away from owning there own home. The rent was is not the same. There was no new furniture either.  So please get you information correct before you try to make this so called article.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-6896</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the shit you guys wrote here reeks of blind optimism. There is a huge bottle-neck approaching---E.O. Wilson, Harvard Biologist, nobel laureate(sp?lol) refers to it as the &quot;sixth extinction&quot;---yeah something big is coming, but it probably wont kill off everyone, just those who can&#039;t protect themselves....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the shit you guys wrote here reeks of blind optimism. There is a huge bottle-neck approaching&#8212;E.O. Wilson, Harvard Biologist, nobel laureate(sp?lol) refers to it as the &#8220;sixth extinction&#8221;&#8212;yeah something big is coming, but it probably wont kill off everyone, just those who can&#8217;t protect themselves&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-4435</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So all you got is the &quot;what do you know you&#039;re only x age&quot; retort. Old people have been saying that to me since I was &quot;too opinionated&quot; as a teenager. Take your (mostly incorrect) libel and cram it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So all you got is the &#8220;what do you know you&#8217;re only x age&#8221; retort. Old people have been saying that to me since I was &#8220;too opinionated&#8221; as a teenager. Take your (mostly incorrect) libel and cram it.</p>
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		<title>By: Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-4434</link>
		<dc:creator>Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the US is getting too big to be governed collectively effectively.  I think we should have let the south go in the Civil War.

As a property owner in a (by no small majority) poor area, I think you might want to explore some gratitude for anything that improves the neighborhood and your property values, government funded and initialized, or not.

As for the rest of it Jeremy, I luvs ya but hey, I do believe you&#039;re only in your twenties with limited life experience, you&#039;ve been in NYC only a couple years (hardly an authority on anything Bushwick or NYC related) and finally.. you&#039;re from Florida.  

The way I see it, you can&#039;t help what you are.  You&#039;re probably from a family of Bush supporters, most likely a member of the Log Cabin (gay) Republicans, purposefully obnoxious, and so I&#039;ll stop wasting my breath and drop the argument.

You win.  xoxoxo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the US is getting too big to be governed collectively effectively.  I think we should have let the south go in the Civil War.</p>
<p>As a property owner in a (by no small majority) poor area, I think you might want to explore some gratitude for anything that improves the neighborhood and your property values, government funded and initialized, or not.</p>
<p>As for the rest of it Jeremy, I luvs ya but hey, I do believe you&#8217;re only in your twenties with limited life experience, you&#8217;ve been in NYC only a couple years (hardly an authority on anything Bushwick or NYC related) and finally.. you&#8217;re from Florida.  </p>
<p>The way I see it, you can&#8217;t help what you are.  You&#8217;re probably from a family of Bush supporters, most likely a member of the Log Cabin (gay) Republicans, purposefully obnoxious, and so I&#8217;ll stop wasting my breath and drop the argument.</p>
<p>You win.  xoxoxo</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-4433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for patriotism, I&#039;m with Ray -- I don&#039;t care if America is #1 rah rah rah. If America split into 1000+ city states tomorrow I&#039;d throw a party and refer to myself as a New York citizen. Sometimes it&#039;s better to move on to new technology than to bother upgrading an old hunk of junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for patriotism, I&#8217;m with Ray &#8212; I don&#8217;t care if America is #1 rah rah rah. If America split into 1000+ city states tomorrow I&#8217;d throw a party and refer to myself as a New York citizen. Sometimes it&#8217;s better to move on to new technology than to bother upgrading an old hunk of junk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-4431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, Armstrong, a socialist! That&#039;s adorable. I know a few of those. I think it&#039;s nice to have a spiritual side.

American reputation is going down the toilet because of the hideous things our government does. Note that it is not for the things our government does NOT do. The US is not anywhere near third world conditions, and I find it uproarious that anyone would say such a thing. Even if it were true, I fail to see how a European-style safety net is the magic wand to reverse this alleged trend, especially because as I indicated above, state safety nets are inferior to voluntary ones.

As for the &quot;top 2%&quot;: they funded things like the Visiting Nurse Service of NY, libraries and museums across the country, Habitat for Humanity, etc., and still give billions to charity today. So I can only guess that your gripe beyond that is that they don&#039;t simply have the poorest bit of society living like the middle class? Neither does the state -- here or in Europe or anywhere. And you&#039;ll have a hard time convincing anyone that they should.

&quot;Dare I say that entitled greedy rich people share more of the blame for our current circumstances?&quot; -- Dare to say anything you want, but rich people in their capacity as rich are not to blame -- rich people in their capacity as RULERS are to blame. The vehicle they use to rule is the one you want to have more power. Bizarre.

&quot;Additionally I feel the pain of those who bitch about rent stabilized apartments. Before I had one, I was insanely jealous as well. Now I have one. Hooray for me.&quot; -- Why should I be jealous of people who live in stabilized apartments, most of which are shitholes? Why should I be jealous of people who are so deluded as to think scoring a stabilized apartment is an &quot;investment&quot;? I pity them. However, I do congratulate people I know who score stabilized apartments they intend to live in for a few years. So, no, my opposition to rent regulation is mostly from the point of view of efficiency, and only a little from that of justice.

&quot;I don’t agree that areas should be totally divided by economic status.&quot; -- Again, you express a personal preference with no objective value. People eat the food they can afford. People wear the clothing they can afford. And people live where they can afford. There is absolutely no reason to advocate enforced geographic &quot;economic diversity&quot; except to satisfy your hunger to engineer society. People are not your pawns.

&quot;Just try and find your fucking souls and be a little more magnanimous eh?&quot; -- You&#039;re such a good person, Armstrong. You wish the state would just tell everyone what to do so we don&#039;t have to wring our hands dealing with all these decisions and choices!

Yes, I am &quot;hardhearted,&quot; as you say, but that does not change the fact that voluntary initiatives (the market) provide for people far better than coercive initiatives (the state). My attitude toward the stupid and lazy does not change the fabric of reality. I personally think charity is a disincentive and in most cases should not be extended. Fortunately for the dumb and crippled and lazy, the market doesn&#039;t give a shit what I think, and people continue to spend their money on making themselves feel good through charity.

And actually, laziness has nothing to do with measuring standard of living -- just as monetary wealth does not. I am INCREDIBLY lazy -- I only do as much work as it takes to not get fired. I have zero work ethic. I value leisure time far more than many material goods. Would I like both? Yes. Am I willing to work for it? No. And that&#039;s okay. Now, since I&#039;m also not stupid, I have funneled whatever little money I make into wealth-generating and -sustaining assets, which just make my laziness that much easier and more comfortable. But even those with minimal intelligence can work hourly their whole lives in a small town and retire modestly in a home they own. Life is a breeze!

The point is we live in such an advanced time, even hampered as we are by onerous regulation, that we can be fat lazy slobs who hardly work at all and still make an okay living! It only gets better as technology improves.

The only truly cruel thing, if you do indeed care for the poor, is to demand more socialism, so that overall people have less choice and less wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, Armstrong, a socialist! That&#8217;s adorable. I know a few of those. I think it&#8217;s nice to have a spiritual side.</p>
<p>American reputation is going down the toilet because of the hideous things our government does. Note that it is not for the things our government does NOT do. The US is not anywhere near third world conditions, and I find it uproarious that anyone would say such a thing. Even if it were true, I fail to see how a European-style safety net is the magic wand to reverse this alleged trend, especially because as I indicated above, state safety nets are inferior to voluntary ones.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;top 2%&#8221;: they funded things like the Visiting Nurse Service of NY, libraries and museums across the country, Habitat for Humanity, etc., and still give billions to charity today. So I can only guess that your gripe beyond that is that they don&#8217;t simply have the poorest bit of society living like the middle class? Neither does the state &#8212; here or in Europe or anywhere. And you&#8217;ll have a hard time convincing anyone that they should.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dare I say that entitled greedy rich people share more of the blame for our current circumstances?&#8221; &#8212; Dare to say anything you want, but rich people in their capacity as rich are not to blame &#8212; rich people in their capacity as RULERS are to blame. The vehicle they use to rule is the one you want to have more power. Bizarre.</p>
<p>&#8220;Additionally I feel the pain of those who bitch about rent stabilized apartments. Before I had one, I was insanely jealous as well. Now I have one. Hooray for me.&#8221; &#8212; Why should I be jealous of people who live in stabilized apartments, most of which are shitholes? Why should I be jealous of people who are so deluded as to think scoring a stabilized apartment is an &#8220;investment&#8221;? I pity them. However, I do congratulate people I know who score stabilized apartments they intend to live in for a few years. So, no, my opposition to rent regulation is mostly from the point of view of efficiency, and only a little from that of justice.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t agree that areas should be totally divided by economic status.&#8221; &#8212; Again, you express a personal preference with no objective value. People eat the food they can afford. People wear the clothing they can afford. And people live where they can afford. There is absolutely no reason to advocate enforced geographic &#8220;economic diversity&#8221; except to satisfy your hunger to engineer society. People are not your pawns.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just try and find your fucking souls and be a little more magnanimous eh?&#8221; &#8212; You&#8217;re such a good person, Armstrong. You wish the state would just tell everyone what to do so we don&#8217;t have to wring our hands dealing with all these decisions and choices!</p>
<p>Yes, I am &#8220;hardhearted,&#8221; as you say, but that does not change the fact that voluntary initiatives (the market) provide for people far better than coercive initiatives (the state). My attitude toward the stupid and lazy does not change the fabric of reality. I personally think charity is a disincentive and in most cases should not be extended. Fortunately for the dumb and crippled and lazy, the market doesn&#8217;t give a shit what I think, and people continue to spend their money on making themselves feel good through charity.</p>
<p>And actually, laziness has nothing to do with measuring standard of living &#8212; just as monetary wealth does not. I am INCREDIBLY lazy &#8212; I only do as much work as it takes to not get fired. I have zero work ethic. I value leisure time far more than many material goods. Would I like both? Yes. Am I willing to work for it? No. And that&#8217;s okay. Now, since I&#8217;m also not stupid, I have funneled whatever little money I make into wealth-generating and -sustaining assets, which just make my laziness that much easier and more comfortable. But even those with minimal intelligence can work hourly their whole lives in a small town and retire modestly in a home they own. Life is a breeze!</p>
<p>The point is we live in such an advanced time, even hampered as we are by onerous regulation, that we can be fat lazy slobs who hardly work at all and still make an okay living! It only gets better as technology improves.</p>
<p>The only truly cruel thing, if you do indeed care for the poor, is to demand more socialism, so that overall people have less choice and less wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-4396</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is every adult human being equal?  What&#039;s your definition of equality? I&#039;d like to know; feel free to send me an email Jeremy, if you&#039;d prefer not to post it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is every adult human being equal?  What&#8217;s your definition of equality? I&#8217;d like to know; feel free to send me an email Jeremy, if you&#8217;d prefer not to post it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2008/02/27/bushwick-initiative-an-irrelevant-insult/comment-page-1/#comment-4347</link>
		<dc:creator>Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I don&#039;t actually. And I respect someone&#039;s desire to filter information in this day and age. Taking in the news all day long is a recipe for depression if there ever was one.

More than anything, my comments are in contest with some of the attitudes expressed here and in other posts. Everyone can of course have their opinions.  God knows I have mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I don&#8217;t actually. And I respect someone&#8217;s desire to filter information in this day and age. Taking in the news all day long is a recipe for depression if there ever was one.</p>
<p>More than anything, my comments are in contest with some of the attitudes expressed here and in other posts. Everyone can of course have their opinions.  God knows I have mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in the Netherlands for a year. It was great. America&#039;s better.

Sorry, but the worst thing about the US is what it does to other countries; ergo, I&#039;ll never move to Iraq, for example (I&#039;ll skip to another country if I hear so much as a whisper of a military draft). I&#039;m not sure what the second-worst thing about the US is; I haven&#039;t thought about it. As our immigration rates attest, America meets the needs of its people, most by private mechanisms and some the government. To express whether less needs should be met by private institutions and more by the government is really to express a preference, as would be considerations of whether a poor person or a rich person should get another dollar. 

It&#039;s the fact that I&#039;ve kept up with current events that I have the opinions that I have. If only I&#039;d paid more attention in college, I might be enlightened enough to know which news stories to read and which to avoid for optimum depression. Do you suspect all dissenting opinions to be born of willful ignorance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in the Netherlands for a year. It was great. America&#8217;s better.</p>
<p>Sorry, but the worst thing about the US is what it does to other countries; ergo, I&#8217;ll never move to Iraq, for example (I&#8217;ll skip to another country if I hear so much as a whisper of a military draft). I&#8217;m not sure what the second-worst thing about the US is; I haven&#8217;t thought about it. As our immigration rates attest, America meets the needs of its people, most by private mechanisms and some the government. To express whether less needs should be met by private institutions and more by the government is really to express a preference, as would be considerations of whether a poor person or a rich person should get another dollar. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the fact that I&#8217;ve kept up with current events that I have the opinions that I have. If only I&#8217;d paid more attention in college, I might be enlightened enough to know which news stories to read and which to avoid for optimum depression. Do you suspect all dissenting opinions to be born of willful ignorance?</p>
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