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	<title>Comments on: In Bushwick, Crap Sales Are No Crapshoot</title>
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		<title>By: John Dereszewski</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/09/06/in-bushwick-crap-sales-are-no-crapshoot/comment-page-1/#comment-9899</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dereszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, I&#039;m sorry that I did not respond sooner, but I did not see your comment until now.

I really cannot help you out much about the Jefferson St. stream. If a body of water once existed, it probably flowed into Newtown Creek, which initially flowed well beyond its current boundaries.

One place to access old pictures of Bushwick - and the rest of Brooklyn for that matter - is the following web page:

www.brooklynpix.com

There are two full pages on Bushwick in this collection - and a lot more.

Finally, I can provide you with the following information about Jefferson St. It was mapped and named in the early 19th century, when Bushwick was not yet a part of the City of Brooklyn. This is why it did not, at that time, conflict with Jefferson Ave., which, at the time of its creation - by the City of Brooklyn - did not extend beyond Broadway, which marked the Brooklyn/Bushwick boundary. Until the early twentieth century, that portion of what is now Jefferson Ave. that extended beyond Broarway was initially named John St. and then Vigelius St. before being absorbed into Jefferson Ave. While this worked on one level, it created the silly confusion of two Jefferson &quot;streets&quot; in one community that continues to frustrate many of the uninitiated to this day.

Hope this is helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, I&#8217;m sorry that I did not respond sooner, but I did not see your comment until now.</p>
<p>I really cannot help you out much about the Jefferson St. stream. If a body of water once existed, it probably flowed into Newtown Creek, which initially flowed well beyond its current boundaries.</p>
<p>One place to access old pictures of Bushwick &#8211; and the rest of Brooklyn for that matter &#8211; is the following web page:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.brooklynpix.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.brooklynpix.com</a></p>
<p>There are two full pages on Bushwick in this collection &#8211; and a lot more.</p>
<p>Finally, I can provide you with the following information about Jefferson St. It was mapped and named in the early 19th century, when Bushwick was not yet a part of the City of Brooklyn. This is why it did not, at that time, conflict with Jefferson Ave., which, at the time of its creation &#8211; by the City of Brooklyn &#8211; did not extend beyond Broadway, which marked the Brooklyn/Bushwick boundary. Until the early twentieth century, that portion of what is now Jefferson Ave. that extended beyond Broarway was initially named John St. and then Vigelius St. before being absorbed into Jefferson Ave. While this worked on one level, it created the silly confusion of two Jefferson &#8220;streets&#8221; in one community that continues to frustrate many of the uninitiated to this day.</p>
<p>Hope this is helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Russo</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/09/06/in-bushwick-crap-sales-are-no-crapshoot/comment-page-1/#comment-8976</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Russo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Dereszewski,

  I grew up on Jefferson Street between Knickerbocker and Irving in the 1950&#039;s and 60&#039;s. When it comes to bushwick I heard you guys really know your stuff. Maybe you can solve this one. Forty years ago a priest from St Leonard&#039;s told me that when construction started on the church in 1872 there was a stream flowing down the hill on Jefferson Street from Wilson Ave to Knickerbocker Ave. Could this be true? Also, where can I find 19th century photos of bushwick and where can I learn the complete history of Jefferson Street?

Thank for your help
Tony R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Dereszewski,</p>
<p>  I grew up on Jefferson Street between Knickerbocker and Irving in the 1950&#8242;s and 60&#8242;s. When it comes to bushwick I heard you guys really know your stuff. Maybe you can solve this one. Forty years ago a priest from St Leonard&#8217;s told me that when construction started on the church in 1872 there was a stream flowing down the hill on Jefferson Street from Wilson Ave to Knickerbocker Ave. Could this be true? Also, where can I find 19th century photos of bushwick and where can I learn the complete history of Jefferson Street?</p>
<p>Thank for your help<br />
Tony R.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dereszewski</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/09/06/in-bushwick-crap-sales-are-no-crapshoot/comment-page-1/#comment-7537</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dereszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vic, while the zip codes are only 50 or so years old, they literally replaced the far older postal zones. Thus, what is now zip code 11221 used to be Brooklyn zone 21.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vic, while the zip codes are only 50 or so years old, they literally replaced the far older postal zones. Thus, what is now zip code 11221 used to be Brooklyn zone 21.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Zip codes mean nothing in Brooklyn. They were superimposed upon existing communities about 100 years ago.&quot; 

zip codes are only about 50 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Zip codes mean nothing in Brooklyn. They were superimposed upon existing communities about 100 years ago.&#8221; </p>
<p>zip codes are only about 50 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Bushwick Lou</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/09/06/in-bushwick-crap-sales-are-no-crapshoot/comment-page-1/#comment-2758</link>
		<dc:creator>Bushwick Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooklyn Pete, I stumbled across this page and was fascinated with the topic and responses, I was born and raised on Bushwick Ave and Flushing Ave. As a kid I grew up playing in the abandon Rheingold Brewery, those were great memories. I have been searching the web for old photos of the entire brewery complex. But with no luck. Being that your an expert on Brooklyn maybe you can direct me towards the coble stone road that leads to the Rheingold Brewery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooklyn Pete, I stumbled across this page and was fascinated with the topic and responses, I was born and raised on Bushwick Ave and Flushing Ave. As a kid I grew up playing in the abandon Rheingold Brewery, those were great memories. I have been searching the web for old photos of the entire brewery complex. But with no luck. Being that your an expert on Brooklyn maybe you can direct me towards the coble stone road that leads to the Rheingold Brewery.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dereszewski</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/09/06/in-bushwick-crap-sales-are-no-crapshoot/comment-page-1/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dereszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha, if you lived a couple of blocks to the west when you resided in Cypress Hills, you would have been situated in the same 11207 postal zone in which you are currently residing in Bushwick. This makes no sense. You will really agree with me when you have to go to the local post office to claim a returned package and have to go to East New York to do so.

Brooklyn Pete, I just read your previous comment re the shifting borders of Bushwick and Ridgewood. (Sorry for the delay in getting back.) The reasons for this were purely racial. As soon as Bushwick was determined to be the &quot;minority&quot; community, the good people of Ridgewood did everything they could to separate themselves from it. The popularly agreed upon boundary moved from as far south as Wilsom Ave, to the county border during the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s. The final straw was the proposal - strongly supported by Congressional candidate Geraldine Ferraro in 1978 (it go her elected!) - to separate the portions of two Bushwick postal zones - 11237 and 11227 - from Queens. In this way, Bushwick &quot;officially&quot; became Brooklyn and Ridgewood Queens.

Finally, Molly, I loved your article and feel really guilty for having been a party in taking the tread away from your piece. Hope to hear from you on other things very soon! Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha, if you lived a couple of blocks to the west when you resided in Cypress Hills, you would have been situated in the same 11207 postal zone in which you are currently residing in Bushwick. This makes no sense. You will really agree with me when you have to go to the local post office to claim a returned package and have to go to East New York to do so.</p>
<p>Brooklyn Pete, I just read your previous comment re the shifting borders of Bushwick and Ridgewood. (Sorry for the delay in getting back.) The reasons for this were purely racial. As soon as Bushwick was determined to be the &#8220;minority&#8221; community, the good people of Ridgewood did everything they could to separate themselves from it. The popularly agreed upon boundary moved from as far south as Wilsom Ave, to the county border during the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s. The final straw was the proposal &#8211; strongly supported by Congressional candidate Geraldine Ferraro in 1978 (it go her elected!) &#8211; to separate the portions of two Bushwick postal zones &#8211; 11237 and 11227 &#8211; from Queens. In this way, Bushwick &#8220;officially&#8221; became Brooklyn and Ridgewood Queens.</p>
<p>Finally, Molly, I loved your article and feel really guilty for having been a party in taking the tread away from your piece. Hope to hear from you on other things very soon! Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved from zip code 11208 (Cypress Hills) 2.5 miles, and now my zip code is 11207.  Makes sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved from zip code 11208 (Cypress Hills) 2.5 miles, and now my zip code is 11207.  Makes sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dereszewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dereszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zip codes mean nothing in Brooklyn. They were superimposed upon existing communities about 100 years ago. The fact that the 11206 code includes a portion of north Bed-Sty - the Marcy, Tompkins and Sumner projects to be specific - and a small piece of Bushwick -  does not make them a part of Williamsburg. Neither does the 11221 zip code say anything about the Bed-Sty and Bushwick communities that it traverses. If you want to see where the communities meet, you must look elsewhere. (A very different situation exists in Queens, where the zones were imposed as the communities came into existence , and generally reflect actual community borders.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zip codes mean nothing in Brooklyn. They were superimposed upon existing communities about 100 years ago. The fact that the 11206 code includes a portion of north Bed-Sty &#8211; the Marcy, Tompkins and Sumner projects to be specific &#8211; and a small piece of Bushwick &#8211;  does not make them a part of Williamsburg. Neither does the 11221 zip code say anything about the Bed-Sty and Bushwick communities that it traverses. If you want to see where the communities meet, you must look elsewhere. (A very different situation exists in Queens, where the zones were imposed as the communities came into existence , and generally reflect actual community borders.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the zip code change from the 11206 (ie, most of Southeast Wburg) to something else across Flushing Ave?

Also wtf: the WaMu @ Graham(iirc) and Grand being &quot;Bushwick financial center&quot; and the one at Graham by the Flushing M is &quot;Williamsburg&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the zip code change from the 11206 (ie, most of Southeast Wburg) to something else across Flushing Ave?</p>
<p>Also wtf: the WaMu @ Graham(iirc) and Grand being &#8220;Bushwick financial center&#8221; and the one at Graham by the Flushing M is &#8220;Williamsburg&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this technical political borders junk aside, the fact is, for the last several decades, people in parts of East Williamsburg did and do consider themselves to live in Bushwick.

&quot;SoBu&quot; is a joke on this site, it&#039;s not a term to bring yuppies in. But it&#039;s a gigantic neighborhood, and it is helpful to distinguish between North and South Bushwick when describing one&#039;s neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this technical political borders junk aside, the fact is, for the last several decades, people in parts of East Williamsburg did and do consider themselves to live in Bushwick.</p>
<p>&#8220;SoBu&#8221; is a joke on this site, it&#8217;s not a term to bring yuppies in. But it&#8217;s a gigantic neighborhood, and it is helpful to distinguish between North and South Bushwick when describing one&#8217;s neighborhood.</p>
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