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		<title>By: Tuttle</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-19597</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;L&quot; express was more of a skip-stop type service. I forget exactly how it ran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;L&#8221; express was more of a skip-stop type service. I forget exactly how it ran.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fountainhead Sucks</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-18787</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fountainhead Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public transit should not make a profit, the idea is completely retarded. An extensive, well-used and inexpensive transit system adds enormous value to a city. It&#039;s a necessary expense, like a fire department. That deadbeat FDNY hasn&#039;t turned a profit in forever, those lazyasses need incentive!

May I suggest Urban Planning 101?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public transit should not make a profit, the idea is completely retarded. An extensive, well-used and inexpensive transit system adds enormous value to a city. It&#8217;s a necessary expense, like a fire department. That deadbeat FDNY hasn&#8217;t turned a profit in forever, those lazyasses need incentive!</p>
<p>May I suggest Urban Planning 101?</p>
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		<title>By: "J"</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-7007</link>
		<dc:creator>"J"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget It.

Where are you going to place an express line tracks on the BMT 14th Street Canarsie &quot;L&quot; line? There is no room. The BMT CANARSIE LINE WAS BUILT FOR 2 TRACKS. THERE IS NO WAY AN EXPRESS CAN BE BUILT. I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN THE 14th Street Canarsie Line &quot;L&quot; had the Old BMT Standard &quot;AB&quot; three door
cars with the green interior, straw seats or red leather seats, overhead fans, and the all familiar sound when it pulls off. Let&#039;s not forget the familiar &quot;electrical&quot; smell on those old BMT &quot;AB&quot; Standard Cars on the BMT 14th Street Canarsie line, aka The &quot;L&quot; Train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget It.</p>
<p>Where are you going to place an express line tracks on the BMT 14th Street Canarsie &#8220;L&#8221; line? There is no room. The BMT CANARSIE LINE WAS BUILT FOR 2 TRACKS. THERE IS NO WAY AN EXPRESS CAN BE BUILT. I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN THE 14th Street Canarsie Line &#8220;L&#8221; had the Old BMT Standard &#8220;AB&#8221; three door<br />
cars with the green interior, straw seats or red leather seats, overhead fans, and the all familiar sound when it pulls off. Let&#8217;s not forget the familiar &#8220;electrical&#8221; smell on those old BMT &#8220;AB&#8221; Standard Cars on the BMT 14th Street Canarsie line, aka The &#8220;L&#8221; Train.</p>
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		<title>By: BushwickBK.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; M Stations to Get Some Love</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-4437</link>
		<dc:creator>BushwickBK.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; M Stations to Get Some Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of course it has to be said that if slightly more than a modicum of maintenance had been afforded these pitiful stations over the years, they would not need massive redos now. Only OUR government could let a system crumble like this one has, failing to see the propaganda value of a showcase mass transit system. I say let&#8217;s Draft the Donald! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Of course it has to be said that if slightly more than a modicum of maintenance had been afforded these pitiful stations over the years, they would not need massive redos now. Only OUR government could let a system crumble like this one has, failing to see the propaganda value of a showcase mass transit system. I say let&#8217;s Draft the Donald! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bushwicknative</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>bushwicknative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD you are right . If 12 car stations can be built this would help. I do recall when BMT statons were extended. In the 50s the L was crowded with people going to work from Brooklyn etc but although I am no longer living in Bklyn I do visit williamsburg a  lot and notice even at 11 pm Bedford Ave station is crowded both with people getting on and off.

With all of the large condos etc going up in Williamsburg this problem will only get worse.
I am not sure Bushwick will ever see the condominium craze of the burg but more people living in the same area will make for more crowded transit. 

It sort of reminds me of the 72 st and 96 st station on the 7th Ave IRT . They are narrow island stations which get really packed. 

I  do think JDs suggestion is best if feasible but as he said please do not ruin the look of the stations . 

As an aside being a bit of a transit buff I took the Subway Museum&#039;s L train tour a few years ago.
It was quite well done and really gave a clear history of the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD you are right . If 12 car stations can be built this would help. I do recall when BMT statons were extended. In the 50s the L was crowded with people going to work from Brooklyn etc but although I am no longer living in Bklyn I do visit williamsburg a  lot and notice even at 11 pm Bedford Ave station is crowded both with people getting on and off.</p>
<p>With all of the large condos etc going up in Williamsburg this problem will only get worse.<br />
I am not sure Bushwick will ever see the condominium craze of the burg but more people living in the same area will make for more crowded transit. </p>
<p>It sort of reminds me of the 72 st and 96 st station on the 7th Ave IRT . They are narrow island stations which get really packed. </p>
<p>I  do think JDs suggestion is best if feasible but as he said please do not ruin the look of the stations . </p>
<p>As an aside being a bit of a transit buff I took the Subway Museum&#8217;s L train tour a few years ago.<br />
It was quite well done and really gave a clear history of the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you actually read my original post, I argue against building express tracks. The Donald Trump thing is just me being silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you actually read my original post, I argue against building express tracks. The Donald Trump thing is just me being silly.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dereszewski</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dereszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crowding problem on the L will be at least partially addressed by the implementation of MTA&#039;s automated system that will allow for shorter headways -  and more trains - on this line. Hopefully, this long delayed project will become a reality in the reasonably near future.

In the event that this does not adequately address the congestion problem - as will probably be the case - the best remedy is to expand the size of the existing stations to accommodate 12 car trains. This is a very practical alternative and one that could be implemented in just a couple of years if aggressively promoted. The TA did this quite efficiently to the old IRT and BMT lines in the late 40&#039;s and early 50&#039;s, and the TA&#039;s recent report on crowding referred to this as a possibility. It would make a lot of sense to promote this alternative and recruit the Williamsburg and Bushwick art community to develop implementation strategies that would enhance - and not defile - the aesthetic integrity of the existing stations. As opposed to the fantasy of a &quot;L Train Express&quot;, this can become a reality well within our lifetimes.

By the way, the reason for providing express routes on subway lines has always been decrease of travel time and not congestion relief. Hence my cryptic earlier comment.

Hope we can agree to disagree on the express issue and join forces on the 12 can station campaign!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crowding problem on the L will be at least partially addressed by the implementation of MTA&#8217;s automated system that will allow for shorter headways &#8211;  and more trains &#8211; on this line. Hopefully, this long delayed project will become a reality in the reasonably near future.</p>
<p>In the event that this does not adequately address the congestion problem &#8211; as will probably be the case &#8211; the best remedy is to expand the size of the existing stations to accommodate 12 car trains. This is a very practical alternative and one that could be implemented in just a couple of years if aggressively promoted. The TA did this quite efficiently to the old IRT and BMT lines in the late 40&#8242;s and early 50&#8242;s, and the TA&#8217;s recent report on crowding referred to this as a possibility. It would make a lot of sense to promote this alternative and recruit the Williamsburg and Bushwick art community to develop implementation strategies that would enhance &#8211; and not defile &#8211; the aesthetic integrity of the existing stations. As opposed to the fantasy of a &#8220;L Train Express&#8221;, this can become a reality well within our lifetimes.</p>
<p>By the way, the reason for providing express routes on subway lines has always been decrease of travel time and not congestion relief. Hence my cryptic earlier comment.</p>
<p>Hope we can agree to disagree on the express issue and join forces on the 12 can station campaign!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crowding, you dingbat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowding, you dingbat.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dereszewski</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dereszewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes 39 minutes for the L train to go from Canarsie to 8th Ave. So what&#039;s the big deal? 5 minutes? This is a really stupid post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes 39 minutes for the L train to go from Canarsie to 8th Ave. So what&#8217;s the big deal? 5 minutes? This is a really stupid post.</p>
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		<title>By: bushwicknative</title>
		<link>http://bushwickbk.com/2007/07/03/express-l-train/comment-page-1/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>bushwicknative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not that it was an express but back in the 60s in the rush hour there was atleast  1 train a morning and evening that started/ended at Myrtle/Wyckoff and went on to 8th ave. There is a siding there where a train or two can be stored.

Train still made all the stops from Myrtle to 8th Ave.

This was before they had lettered trains ( L was 14 st canarsie line)   . You knew it was the Myrtle avenue train because thelights on the front were green instead of red.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not that it was an express but back in the 60s in the rush hour there was atleast  1 train a morning and evening that started/ended at Myrtle/Wyckoff and went on to 8th ave. There is a siding there where a train or two can be stored.</p>
<p>Train still made all the stops from Myrtle to 8th Ave.</p>
<p>This was before they had lettered trains ( L was 14 st canarsie line)   . You knew it was the Myrtle avenue train because thelights on the front were green instead of red.</p>
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